Anime streaming sites
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@jon-mitchell well It is more about how much priority they put into their service and whatnot. If we take certain news sources as examples. Who ever is telling the news will have their own bias and that is fine. They may interpret any event towards their bias and that is still fine. What is not fine is when they "edit" the news to suit there own agenda. I was planning to unsub since the Hi guardian thingy fiasco, but didn't because I was in the middle of a season but then other anime O wanted to watch was on their service. I then decided to make a decision NOW and stick with it so I looked back at all the things CR has done or said in PR and stuff. Stuff like getting a better player only when their old one was gonna be dead and that the "beta" sub was not really a beta sub as how long had they had he buffering and whatnot? I decided to only sub to services that cares about their audience.
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got it: service quality, buffering, updating the player... all reasons I can wrap my head around. I'm relatively new to my otaku-ness so I'm not in the loop with much of CR's history.
I try to evaluate my purchasing decisions on the quality of the product service that I am paying for and not the marketing fluff/ perception of the brand
I once had someone tell me with a straight face that he'd never buy a Subaru car because too many lesbians drive them. I thought he was kidding, he wasn't.
I mean unless profits are going to fund human rights atrocities, or some other form of evil, corporations are all the same. My dollars go to where I judge the product/service best meets my needs.
I personally can't get behind any of the piracy sites however. I have yet to hear a compelling argument for not using a 'legit' service that compensates the creators. That being said, if you live in a part of the world where that is your only option, I don't judge either.
I read banned books
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@jon-mitchell said in Anime streaming sites:
I personally can't get behind any of the piracy sites however. I have yet to hear a compelling argument for not using a 'legit' service that compensates the creators. That being said, if you live in a part of the world where that is your only option, I don't judge either.
The reason ppl use piracy sites is because it is a better service. There is no reason to pirate shonen jump manga anymore for example. If CR had an affordable high-consistent quality and always airs an episode on time less people would pirate anime. If CR made it so a free member can watch the latest episode of an anime the week it came out with ads at the right spots (ex. mid-way commercial break) I would use that service. JNC does something similar with the prepubs and shonen jump makes it so you can read the latest 3 chapters for free.
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@jon-mitchell
If CR does not have a region lock then I wouldn't mind paying for their services. As long as region lock exists only selected anime can be viewed. I feel it unfair to pay the same amount as someone from the other side of the globe and he/she has more content to view than me. -
@bartzbb said in Anime streaming sites:
@jon-mitchell
If CR does not have a region lock then I wouldn't mind paying for their services. As long as region lock exists only selected anime can be viewed. I feel it unfair to pay the same amount as someone from the other side of the globe and he/she has more content to view than me.Region locks are the original right's holder's fault though, not the "retailers" like CR or Netflix
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@drone205
you said: The reason ppl use piracy sites is because it is a better service. There is no reason to pirate shonen jump manga anymore for example. If CR had an affordable high-consistent quality and always airs an episode on time less people would pirate anime. If CR made it so a free member can watch the latest episode of an anime the week it came out with ads at the right spots (ex. mid-way commercial break) I would use that service. JNC does something similar with the prepubs and shonen jump makes it so you can read the latest 3 chapters for free."That may be the reason you chose to use a piracy site. Many folks just don't want to pay/ prefer to leech. How much service obligation does a streaming site owe to its 'customers' if they are not paying for the service? The commercials, the waiting for new releases, maybe even the video quality, are all intended to be annoying, to encourage paying for the service and getting a better experience ( In my opinion it's a shitty business practice, but it's legal/legitimate)
I believe someone already mentioned that region lock isn't up to CR. If there is a particular title that you want to watch, and there isn't a legitimate way to view it where you live, you're not preventing the artist from getting paid to watch it 'on the high seas'. If you watch a bunch of different anime, and some of them are available in your region via CR or some other legit site and you choose not to...then I don't understand your justification
I read banned books
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@jon-mitchell
Your right about my problem with CR is not a valid excuse for me to still pirate anime. I wholly accept and know it myself. It's more of a problem with my beliefs. It just so happens that one of my beliefs is that anyone paying for any kind of product or service will have the same value obtained. This doesn't apply to just anime but in anything that can be paid for like food, gadget, clothing, anything. If I buy a burger from where I am and someone buys the exact same burger from somewhere else the price would most probably be different but that's just because of the difference in currency and tax so that's still fair and understandable. But for something like online an subscription that has the same price wherever you are in the world but the content that can be viewed might differ just because of the place one lives goes against that belief. Even if it's not CR's fault they should still try to fix it so that everyone can enjoy the same content as anyone around the world for the same price.What I say might make me look like a hypocrite because I also believe that people should pay for anything that is not free but I just can't bend my beliefs. That's why I've decided to just study Japanese and live in Japan so that I wouldn't need to change anything about myself and would finally be able to support something that I love legally. Unfortunately I'm nowhere near my goal yet since I'm still not proficient enough in Japanese and a year hasn't pass by yet since I got my first job so I doubt any company in Japan would want to hire someone who only has less than a year of experience.
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You are aware. That is more than many folks in a similar situation to yours. I respect you decision to study Japanese /go to Japan rendering the CR /pirate issue moot (I hope that there are other /more important reasons for your decision to relocate- I wish you good fortune in your endeavors)
That being said, it it just a harsh reality of global economic forces that the same things don't cost the same in different parts of the world, and this has more to it than currency conversion and taxes. 100 grams of premium beef used to make a burger in the USA might cost $2.00. In other parts of the word (where market forces, supply and demand, agricultural subsidies, government regulations, cultural differences, transportation costs, refrigeration costs etc. might make that same 100 grams of beef cost the local equivalent of $5.00 or $0.50. The same is true if intellectual property; an ebook, music track, access to an anime, a software license etc. all are subject to many of the same market forces, and a legitimate content provider (CR, netflix, amazon etc.) has to navigate the relevant laws /regulations in what they can stream where and to whom (and how much it costs to do so).
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@jon-mitchell said in Anime streaming sites:
That may be the reason you chose to use a piracy site. Many folks just don't want to pay/ prefer to leech. How much service obligation does a streaming site owe to its 'customers' if they are not paying for the service? The commercials, the waiting for new releases, maybe even the video quality, are all intended to be annoying, to encourage paying for the service and getting a better experience ( In my opinion it's a shitty business practice, but it's legal/legitimate)
I have actually never porated anime for like 2 years now.
Many folks just don't want to pay/ prefer to leech
Again if piracy is a better deal people will use it. I used shonen jump as example because it is a better deal using their app to read SJ manga you are caught up with now then before. Good quality, safe, and free. If a legal service is of poor quality while a pirated service is high quality, people will flock their. Safety is something that legal services can easily have over pirate sites. Some pirate sites care more about how much money they can squeeze out of your visit than your own safety. Ads containing viruses for example (and don't get me started with those popup adds). Affordability and value is another big factor. Everyone has a different price to value and if a services price exceeds a person's perceived value they will not pay that price (piracy also has a price that is not in you paying money).
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I don't want to spend too much time up on my soap-box:
if people can get away with stealing something that's a better deal than paying for it?
anime /manga/ ln's etc (intellectual property/ media) is never free, someone used resources/talent/money to create it and they are selling it for fun and profit (or for whatever reason they are selling it)
CR or whoever not spending the money to improve the method of placing commercials, or improving the application for streaming or whatever - is in my opinion dumb- because as you said, if folks don't like using it they will go elsewhere. But you are making a false equivalency, between a criminal endeavor and a legitimate service provider
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@jon-mitchell said in Anime streaming sites:
But you are making a false equivalency, between a criminal endeavor and a legitimate service provider
Pirate streaming sites are a direct competitor to legal streaming sites and should be considered as such. They provide the same services. I mentioned Shonen Jump because they basically killed any reason to pirate their manga. Having a better service then your competitors is the best way to overcome them. Is there any real reason to use fan translations of series JNC has licensed? I see none. JNC has fast and high-quality translations, something most fan translations do not have.
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As a resource If you haven't seen it yet the site because.moe is a search engine that will tell you where series are available to stream legally..
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sorry I didn't thank you earlier- because.moe now bookmarked
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I think it is a sign that anime is becoming more 'mainstream', I'm finding content available (and some good stuff) on Hulu, Crackle (which shouldn't surprise me, the same corporation that owns Crackle, owns Funimation), Tubi TV, etc. Netflix signed exclusive rights to Neon Genesis Evangelon, and did an excellent job in coding/allowing me to binge (and is the home of several other popular series)
At the same time, the net new content on Crunchyroll for the summer 2019 season, seems pretty thin (I canceled my premium membership, there were more new series I cared about on Hulu than on CR...Hulu gets my $$)
What do you think anime streaming sites will need to do in order to stay relevant? or will the whole model die if At&T (owns CR) /Sony (owns Funimation/Crackle) /Disney (owns Hulu)/Amazon/Netflix/ Yahoo (owns Tubi?) figure out a way to deliver the commodity better/more profitably?
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I am getting alot more value out of my HiDive subscription now that they have a Roku app. Their app works much better on my Roku than trying to watch the subtitles on Amazon Prime and even Netflix. So most of my anime watching these days is on Hulu (for Funimation/Aniplex titles) and HiDive. So far I am not missing Crunchyroll at all and only really go there for news and forums. It helps that 3 of the 4 titles I actually enjoyed this last season were on HiDive and the remaining title was on Hulu... I didn't really care for anything Crunchyroll had.
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I wonder what is going to end up (if anything) on Apple TV+ service?
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@jon-mitchell Unless Apple changes its policies, nothing that would be considered "smutty".
So, what would be the limits of what they'd allow? Anything like High School DxD that depicts under-18 people would certainly have to be censored or blocked completely.
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Yeah, and considering one of the bigger selling points of HiDive is the availability of streaming uncensored anime I could see issues with Apple policy.
