I am done with anime
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Season 3 episode 2 of Arifureta was heavily toned down. If this is the new normal for the anime industry, then I guess I can no longer support that industry that tone downs its creative vision for censorious prudes.
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@Elijah203223 said in I am done with anime:
I guess I can no longer support that industry that tone downs its creative vision for censorious prudes.
That seems like a dramatic position to take when there are recent adaptations like Gushing Over Magical Girls which had an anime that was 35% hornier than the source material
“There’s always a story. It’s all stories, really. The sun coming up every day is a story. Everything’s got a story in it. Change the story, change the world.” ― Terry Pratchett, A Hat Full of Sky
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Are you really trying to paint the entire industry with a single brush over a single episode?
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They don't exactly tone things down for censorius prudes. They tone it down to make it more marketable to TV advertisers and gain access to more time slots. Gotta earn back the investment for the production committee somehow.
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I skip most of a given season's shows on CR but I always seem to find at least 1 or 2 series that I enjoy. Last season it was No Longer Allowed in Another World.
Anime adaptations of LN/Manga are hit or miss, with a lot of miss. Something where you read the source material is even more likely to be a miss because they might cut out some of your favorite parts to save time, or because (glaring at you Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear anime) they decide to cram 5 volumes into 12 episodes.
I go in to a new series prepared to be disappointed and enjoy the times when I'm not.
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@HarmlessDave said in I am done with anime:
or because (glaring at you Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear anime) they decide to cram 5 volumes into 12 episodes.
this i hate.
Generally, I do not mind differences between source (LN) and adaption (Manga/Anime) as long as they try to stay solid to the story and tone. Different media always means things have be told a bit differently to fit the format.
Manga can be less descriptive because pictures.
Anime can be even less because moving pictures.That kind of thing.
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@Elijah203223 I've never seen an anime that wasn't widely panned by the existing LN readership.
FWIW, I see the anime as primarily a vehicle for expanding the fanbase. It's a fundamentally different medium, so I try to enjoy it for what it is without expecting it to match the feeling of the LN.
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@unknownmat said in I am done with anime:
@Elijah203223 I've never seen an anime that wasn't widely panned by the existing LN readership.
FWIW, I see the anime as primarily a vehicle for expanding the fanbase. It's a fundamentally different medium, so I try to enjoy it for what it is without expecting it to match the feeling of the LN.
I agree except for the last bit.
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@unknownmat said in I am done with anime:
I've never seen an anime that wasn't widely panned by the existing LN readership.
I have. The Apothecary Diaries anime exceeded the LN in my opinion. Because they more or less used it as a script and didn't skip anything, AND added stuff for context that wasn't in the novels which explained things we were left wondering about in the novels. And it is a rarity among the rare for anime.
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@unknownmat said in I am done with anime:
@Elijah203223 I've never seen an anime that wasn't widely panned by the existing LN readership.
I’ve seen generally very positive reviews of the Apothecary Diaries anime here.
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I can understand people wanting to stick with the original LNs rather than watch adaptations. However I personally care more about general faithfulness to the character and plot and setting and whether or not it is a good anime than to whether or not specific elements are de-emphasized (or toned down / sanitised / censored depending on ones perspective) to appeal to a wider audience.
Most of the anime I've seen based on light novels pre-date when I started reading LNs or were series I hadn't read at the time so I was able to enjoy them without comparing them to the originals.
The only series where I've gone back to read the light novels are Spice and Wolf, Grimgar and Haruhi. Because I liked the anime and watched it first it's hard for me to be objective about the adaptation quality.
I thought the Grimgar anime was better than the LN but I had watched the anime first so it's hard to say what I would have thought if I'd read the LN first. I thought the Haruhi movie was more impactful than the LN. I thought Spice and Wolf LN was stronger in some areas but weaker in others.
One of the only series where I read the LN first and liked the series was Bookworm. While imperfect I thought the Bookworm adaptation was pretty decent (poor name translation decisions aside), and things like the chibi aside scenes added to the experience.
However pretty much all the LNs with OP protagonists seem to feel extra cringe when adapted (although I do have a soft spot for Eminence in Shadow).
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There's plenty anime the that do a good job of adapting their source novels, just as there are plenty who don't. Painting criticism with too wide a brush if we are lumping adaptions like Infinite Dendrogram (utter garbage) with adaptions like Apothecary Diaries. 😬
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@unknownmat I was just hoping it would be as faithful as season 2 which had only minor tweaks and no outrageous cut content. But heck I would rank this season of arifureta lower than demon lord retry R because I fully expected R to be trash
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@Elijah203223 You must be remembering a very different season 2 than I do, and I just rewatched seasons 1 & 2 over the past couple of days. The season 2 adaptation went about the same as season 1 if you ignore what season 1 did to the initial trip to the Haltina dungeon and Haulia training arc. And, at least from these first two episodes, season 3 seems to be following the same.
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@Lily-Garden said in I am done with anime:
@Elijah203223 said in I am done with anime:
I guess I can no longer support that industry that tone downs its creative vision for censorious prudes.
That seems like a dramatic position to take when there are recent adaptations like Gushing Over Magical Girls which had an anime that was 35% hornier than the source material
I can understand both of your comments. Remakes of Rumiko Takahashi's "Urusei Yatsura" and "Ranma 1/2" (from the 70's and 80's) are now out and much of the original mindless slapstick and tasteful semi-nudity has been glossed over in the new versions. And the anime for GOMC was racier than the manga for sure. Which begs the question: who the frack makes these decisions on what's proper and what's not.
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@karasutengu With Gushing, alot of it being racier seems to come from their decision to actually remove the visual censoring the manga uses. While the manga likes to use various vfx, sfx or props to cover the girls, even just blurring parts if it has no other viable options, the anime uses nothing of the sort because it went full uncensored.
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yea, I need to remind myself (frequently) that much (not all) of anime is:
- primarily for the domestic market (and needs to comply with the current sensibilities/market conditions in Japan)
- is intended as advertisement (to increase sales of) the printed source material (so anime are rarely 'complete'- you need to buy the manga/LN to find out what happens next )
- and largely targeted to an audience under 18 (censor beams/ strategic 'lens flare' are things)
I read banned books
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@Jon-Mitchell Even more importantly, times change. Some of what worked in the 80s and 90s isn't really working with today's audiences. Public sentiment is ever evolving, and media needs to keep up with that evolution to remain relevant and profitable.
