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    Is Harry Potter (Vol. 1) a Light Novel?

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    • Paul NebelingP
      Paul Nebeling Premium Member
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      It's my understanding that the "Light" portion of Light Novel refers more to the level of Kanji used rather than the length of the novel. Not having any primary references to go on, I'm only guessing, but I'm thinking that a light novel uses mostly kanji that someone in grades 7-9 would know. That being said, I would toss all of the Harry Potter novels into the equivalent of the "Light Novel" category in spite of books 2-7 being extremely long.

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      • jpwongJ
        jpwong Premium Member
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        I think Harry Potter might be a bit of a stretch outside the first three or four books. My understanding is that Light Novels typically clock in around 50k words where the later volumes of HP close in on almost 4 times that length per volume. Even if length isn't a critical factor, I'm pretty sure if an author wrote something that's several times the normal length, they'd be looking for places to break the work up to fit a more traditional printing size.

        I guess what would be the distinguishing feature of a light novel over a regular novel that's targeting the same demographic?

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          paulnamida @jpwong
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          @jpwong And then there's the behemoths that are Kawakami Minoru's series, like Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere that go from 600 to a 1000 pages I believe for each volume... and that's after chopping them up in parts (volumes are called 1-A, 1-B, 2-A, 2-B, etc.). Those are still considered Light Novels, so lenght is definitely not a criteria for the definition.

          Here's a comparison between Owari no Chronicle (another of the author's series, which as you can see becomes incresingly longer towards the end as well) and Horizon

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          • jpwongJ
            jpwong Premium Member @paulnamida
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            @paulnamida But then what specifically differentiates a light novel from a regular novel that targets the same age group? As far as I can tell from the discussion there is nothing which would then mean it's just a label like how the bookstore has a "Young Adults" fiction section. All books that target readers grades 7-12 are light novels.

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              paulnamida @jpwong
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              @jpwong Yes, Light Novel is JUST a label, there's not really much other than that. Historically speaking, the term Young adult fiction was avoided so people didn't completely relate it to that demographic, as it was mostly aimed at the regular anime/manga audience, which happened to be mostly comprised of that demographic but had a non-insignificant part of its fandom within other demographics. Along the way, imprints dedicated exclusively to LNs cropped up, and here we are now. We are at a point now where you can pretty much classify LNs with usual manga demographics (shonen, shoujo, seinen, josei, BL, yuri, etc.) instead of just limiting it to the YA demographic... but much like manga most of it is still YA a.k.a. shonen.

              So in the end, what makes a light novel nowadays?? Mostly whether a light novel imprint publishes it or not.

              Harry Potter still has all the cues to be considered a 90s LN, what with the fantasy-like setting aimed at a younger audience which was all the rage back then.

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              • hirotoH
                hiroto
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                Even in Japan where the term is coined, the definition or even the origin of the term is not that clear. The wiki page for it is disorganized and chaotic. The top line of the article is - "There is no clearly agreed upon definition."

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                • jpwongJ
                  jpwong Premium Member
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                  Realistically then HP being a light novel falls to 2 possible outcomes.
                  Yes it's a light novel because it's a book with a target demographic of kids grades 7-12 or No it's not a light novel because the publisher Bloomsbury does not identify as being a publisher of the light novel branding.

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                  • AlexUsmanA
                    AlexUsman
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                    If I remember correctly originally Light Novel meant "light reading". Some second grade short book you read on the go in a bus or in a train. That's why LNs are in the pocketable format. Nowadays that's more of a brand. Especially in the West as some things we call LNs are not actually LNs.
                    So Harry Potter isn't a Light Novel, but Stephen King is.

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                      paulnamida
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                      If Harry Potter had been originally published in Japan, I'm pretty sure it would have been marketed as a Light Novel. That's mostly what I base my answer on. Nowadays the term is a lot more flexible and is mainly about imprint labels, but back then, it was pretty much aimed at younger audiences, with fantasy settings being the most popular (think Slayers, Orphen, heck Orphen even has a Magic School), just with manga style illustrations. Add some manga illustrations to HP and you have a LN.

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                      • Jon MitchellJ
                        Jon Mitchell Premium Member
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                        all grasshoppers are insects, not all insects are grasshoppers.
                        HP is western, YA, fantasy, that is also popular with a wider audience
                        it isn't a grasshopper, but it is similar in many ways, it's a cricket

                        I read banned books

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                        • unsynchedcheeseU
                          unsynchedcheese Premium Member
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                          I don't have the links handy, but maybe someone can find the cover illustrations for The Belgariad (by David Eddings) in their Japanese release.

                          It's very anime, and if I saw it on a bookshelf I would totally assume it was a Light Novel series. (Given the overall language level used, I'd say it's simple enough to be Light Novel as well.) I suspect the Belgariad/Mallorean only just escaped being classified as YA due to not being published as YA; otherwise, it fits entirely in the category.

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