Alternative Means of Future Licensing
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@eternal-wanderer Kickstarter would be the worst choice. Something more flexible like GoFundMe would be better. If something is more of a slow burning project that only gets 2 releases a year because the fan base is smaller than GFM would allow longer running campaigns that we could throw money into periodically to build towards getting the next book licensed and translated.
Or a Patreon system might be possible, though the setup and goals would need to be extremely well planned/explained.
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Crowdfunding won't work. No license holder would want the entire world to see their series fail, and any series they're confident wouldn't fail doesn't need to be crowdfunded in the first place.
Currently, JNC takes on all of the risk; they have to go all in from the start and keep working on it regardless of whether the series bombs or not. This makes it harder for us to see new series because the cost-benefit analysis is a lot steeper - JNC has to spend more money to bid for a series, and the analytics need to have a higher prospective ROI in order to say "yes, it's worth spending time and resources on this series." For every series that doesn't perform well, this eats into their assets, both in terms of money and in terms of manpower, because they need to fulfill their contracts.
With the 1-volume idea, JNC's options open up.
- First, it's easier to get 1 volume than 3-5 volumes at a time. This means a quicker turnaround for getting the license in the first place, as well as getting the translations out for us to read. Less long-term planning as far as dedicating resources to it, too.
- Second, poor performers are only locked into 1 volume instead of 3-5+. More resources open up, which means it would be easier to bid on more licenses to keep the ball rolling.
- Sales directly lead to longer licenses. Because it's easier to license only 1 volume, JNC will have direct sales data to show the license holder, hey, this is going to do well if you give us more of this series.
- Data also directly leads to longer licenses. Not all series will be popular right off the bat, which is a reasonable concern. However, there are a couple considerations to keep in mind.
- If it wasn't already an obvious slam dunk, then we might not have gotten the series at all in the first place.
- Again, because it's easier to license the first volume, what JNC can provide back to the license holders here are sales over time. If it's going to be a consistent seller, or it gets a lot of good reviews, or the LN readership grows over time, that's a much more compelling argument, to say "Look, this might not be a smash hit, but we think it's still worth giving to us, and here's the data to back this claim up."
- This also just gets more data in general back to Japan. Seeing companies try new things or different strategies, even if they don't get all the numbers for themselves, can warm them up to discussions about English LN translations (coughAlphapoliscough). For the companies themselves, getting real numbers helps put into perspective what kinds of series do well in other markets, what kind of expected returns they might get, etc., which also leads them to being willing to try out more license variations.
I understand that, as consumers and readers, you don't want to see a book you like get "canceled" because it wasn't popular enough. But, in this situation, it feels like a warped version of "wanting your cake and eating it too" - you want all series to be complete, even if you don't like them or they're costing JNC money, and you don't even want to see a series at all if it won't be licensed to completion, even if you do like it and it might not otherwise ever have a chance to get licensed at all.
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I don’t like it. If I knew that only a few of the series would get a continuation, it would mean I could never read a v1 in fear of it not getting picked up. I like having the certainty that if I read a v1 from JNC and like it, I’m going to be able to read the entire series.
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I think a combination of the volume one plan along with crowdfunding might work? If vol1 doesn't sell enough traditionally, then push the series to crowdfunding. The issue of it failing is mitigated by the fact that it already failed. If it fails there, then it's plain for the community that the series is a goner.
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I think both the crowdfunding and the 1 volume test have problems so as another idea how about voting.
I realize this might be hard to float to publishers but how about a system where every few months J-novel club could get together some novels that might not otherwise get licensed. Translate, I don't know the first 30 pages of each and then make it a vote in this community on which gets licensed and translated completely. That would take less resources than translating an entire book as a test and would get us a community invested as well as removing the problems a single volume test imprint could have such as this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheFireflyEffect
Their are problems with this idea though, in order to not alienate specific publishers each vote could only be be a specific company not to mention if their are two popular choices it could lead to toxicity in the forums, another issue is even convincing the original publisher to go along with this and if a title proves more popular than expected whats to stop the publisher from jacking up the licensing fee now that he knows theirs demand.
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@guspaz but do we know that now? If they only license 3-5 volumes at a time, for anything that has more than that, we don't really know if they'll stick with it til the end (so far they have, but you never know).
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I think I would be ok with this only if it stays prepub only until its decided to continue on.
Prepubs might not signify sales numbers accurately, but it would at least provide a good idea if people are reading it and if they like what they're reading.
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I don't think this is a good idea. I can obviously only speak for myself, but I would not buy volume 1 (or even read the prepub) of a series that wasn't guaranteed to continue.
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Thanks for the vigorous debate!
I think it's a worthy idea to discuss.One more thing to consider: Hobby Japan publishes a lot of series that go... 1 volume. Or maybe 2-3. Things get cancelled all the time and aside from a couple examples we publish, I try and avoid those.
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@sam-pinansky tbh I’m down for either choice.
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@sam-pinansky Yeah, I don’t mind the possibility of a series getting dropped- it almost feels like how the LN industry should work (as I pretty much assume it’s aleays been that way in Japan).
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Fan translators dropping a series whenever they feel like it was one of the reasons I now try to avoid them. So I'm against the idea.
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Wouldn’t it be better to do a sampler like a few chapters kinda like a trailer to a film then get feed back on the forum
I don’t know about others but me if I can’t get into the story after a couple of chapters I give up reading the rest of the novel -
@syko We could probably get permission to do ~20-30 pages worth equivalent to the free preview Japanese publishers give themselves, but more than that we'd have to license the entire volume I'm sure.
There are a lot of people who wouldn't bother looking at things with just a chapter and would want to buy the full volume though,.
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I'm really unsure about this. I mean, sure, it highlights the series that would be popular - people voting with their wallets... but...
I know if Magic Too Far Behind was only one volume, I would have never looked at volume 2... and I'm glad I actually checked out volume 2. I don't actually think of the series really starting at #1.
I'm sure it's probably an exception rather than the rule, but yeah... because it has happened, I'm a bit leery about the vol 1 only releases... hmmm...
If this was done, I certainly wouldn't be waiting for the ebooks to be published and would be consuming these as they are released, and only purchasing the ones that really stand out to me, as opposed to my current way of buy everything I read.
From how I currently use the site (mostly to only buy premium ebooks), I think that, true, I would be benefiting the most as I would have more to read, but I would also hurt JNC profit-wise as I would actually be buying less.
But that's just me, a minnow in a big river.
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@sam-pinansky Bluesteel Blasphemer got cancelled after 4 volumes. There are no guarantees in the LN industry.
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Like I said I’m down for anything that leads to future licensing. I personally think the 1 Volume or the 30 pages sample would be a good idea.
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The 30 page sample with the normal story synopsis would work for me. If you combine that with a voting system to bring a new series on board every month or two, rotating in new series each time and bringing other series that had a following but didnt make it, then we could probably hit a decent middle ground for getting interesting series next to the mega popular and hit up some hidden gems as well.
Or maybe 5 sample chapters come out in Jan, with voting in Feb. March we get 3 new samples with the top 2 who didnt make it returning for another try?
I'm doing the whole throwing things out there.
And maybe this would work for some of the people who don't like the idea of picking up book 1 only for 2 to never appear.
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@legitpancake said in Alternative Means of Future Licensing:
https://curiouscat.me/jnovelclub/post/594203743
Do you think there's room in the light novel market for sample licenses, where you only license a single volume of a series for a test run before committing to the full series? Something like what Viz does with Jump Start.
The idea might be difficult to market to both fans and publishers, but it could result in some interesting pickups that would otherwise be seen as being too risky to license.
That's an excellent point.Like, I could image us putting out every v1 that Hobby Japan publishes on a trial basis in some kind of deal.
I think as long as the readers are clear that we aren't committing to continuing unless the readership/sales numbers warrant it, I think it could work.
Especially since 1 volume is only $7. It's not that much of a commitment to buy it even if we don't end up continuing.This is an interesting idea.
It would be interesting to see what titles would be presented as a result, and I might do more “licensed” reading instead of using certain less valid sites to read the content I want. I’d probably also buy more credits to download the books I want...
Tbh, there IS a huge list of what I read and WANT to support (if it’s licensed).
However, I think the one volume test should be a one or TWO volume test, as some stories really don’t get their game on until the 2nd volume... while I read the first couple chapters of, for example, “ magic is to weak in this world” I have read the scanlation manga and it was extremely slow for the first ... wait, it’s still slow.... the mc isn’t the one that right off decides to be a hero for them...
