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Personally I would have used the word "acumen", but I admit I don't know if that would be just as obscure.
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@LIbri-Liberorum said in Bookworm Part 2 Vol. 3 Discussion!:
@Svent said in Bookworm Part 2 Vol. 3 Discussion!:
Translators or other staff,
Is the translation of the next series of bookworm books going to continue, as it looks like the next 5 books might become season 3 of bookworm next year, or is it too difficult to translate bookworm that fast?Do you have knowledge of a season 3? I asked on the anime forum, and was told that for a LN, even two seasons was exceptional, so a third season of Bookworm is not likely, and even if so, probably not soon.
(Prefacing this with not an expert in current Japanese adaptation trends)
LN adaptations series are generally used for promotional aspects for the more lucrative LN sales. Once the LN ends there are no sales to be made there and so promotional anime aren't needed anymore leaving the series half finished.
If the adaptation gets more people reading the LN than its job is done so there won't be another season and if the adaptation doesn't grow the popularity of the LN then there won't be another season.
So it's very unlikely that there will ever be another season of Ascendance of a Bookworm adapted.
Could be wrong obviously but this is mostly the case and even if it does get a third season it won't be immediately after season 2.
Edit: Oh and the Certain Magical Index series is a good example of the mindset behind adaptations: While people, rightly, call out the terrible anime adaptations of the series it really doesn't matter to the makers since the Index LNs a behemoth sales-wise so all the anime needs to do is get more people buying the LNs.
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@Justaidan said in Bookworm Part 2 Vol. 3 Discussion!:
(Prefacing this with not an expert in current Japanese adaptation trends)
LN adaptations series are generally used for promotional aspects for the more lucrative LN sales. Once the LN ends there are no sales to be made there and so promotional anime aren't needed anymore leaving the series half finished.
If the adaptation gets more people reading the LN than its job is done so there won't be another season and if the adaptation doesn't grow the popularity of the LN then there won't be another season.
So it's very unlikely that there will ever be another season of Ascendance of a Bookworm adapted.
Could be wrong obviously but this is mostly the case and even if it does get a third season it won't be immediately after season 2.
Wait... so anime adaptations of LNs are made to get more people into the LN... that does make sense, but why would you go as far as one season for any adaptation to begin with? It would make sense for No Game No Life (no season 2), but then Konosuba gets two seasons and a movie, Re:Zero, Log Horizon, and Slime are getting an anime adaptation this year... you may as well make the anime miss the last volume, so everyone goes scrambling for the LN source to sate themselves, rather than to finish it.
Not to mention, that purpose alone is just asking to make something that is so not entertaining to the point of just reading the LN and discarding the anime from wanted memory (that would explain why all VN adaptations as of late are so shitty, but I doubt that even helps the anime when put to that caliber). It is asking for exploitation of the medium itself, than to make it do what it does. Wouldn't that mean that we're hoping that the anime fails to deliver to be convincing enough to sell out the LN? and Why can't the LN be sold again when they make another anime season to make use of the hype?
With AoaB's second season, it is not yet at the halfway mark to complete closure (they'll probably go up to the moment when Kamil is born, and stop there for next season or forever). Depending on the last few episodes, one would be able to tell whether it will get a second season... I would imagine that the original intention was to have the first season be two-cour, given the unusual 14 episodes for a first season, which would add up to a more common 26 episodes. It does look like the anime intends to just close up after 26 episodes; it is a timely ending that caters to any situation the anime may end up in, successful or not.
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@hiroto said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
You should learn about the future character in the order that is presented in the main story, from Myne's point of view.
I would expect this response from you due to your extreme sensitivity to spoilers, but honestly the spoiler potential of this OVA is minimal. To illustrate:
First possibility, the fact that Ferdinand ordered an investigation is a possible spoiler. I gotta say that it's a spoiler only if you think Ferdinand is brain dead. After all, Myne is first off, an extremely rare person who wants to join the temple volentarily. Add to that the fact that she's likely to be the first commoner to be able to enter the temple as a blue robe. Has enough Mana to crush the HB. And finally able to be calmed from a justifiable murderous rage when told the consequences of continuing her rage would harm her parents. Of course he ordered an investigation.
Second, the fact of the characters in the OVA are associated with Ferdinand is a possible spoiler. That depends upon how those characters are introduced in the main story line. At one extreme, Ferdinand tells Myne something like "Myne, let me introduce ..., they are trusted associates of mine that I use for tasks from time to time that I can't perform myself for various reasons." The other extreme has the characters interact with Myne over an extended period of time with an eventual reveal that it wasn't a chance encounter that started the chain of interactions, but was instead a covert action ordered by Ferdinand, casting all of the previous actions in a new light. I personally consider the first possibility much more likely than the second, taking into consideration the close working relationship Myne and Ferdinand are developing. So once again, not a spoiler, although I do leave open the possibility if they're introduced in a manner closer to the second option above. But I consider it extremely unlikely.
Third, their personalities and skills may be a spoiler that in the main story line is revealed gradually. This is a possibility, so let's look at them. I know their names start with an "E" and a "J", but which is which, I don't remember, nor care. I'll be calling them "Wimp" and "Clown". Let's deal with Wimp first. He's the one who's complaining about the smell making him sick. A non-entity who spends most of his time in bed and who's most significant achievement in the OVA is to express admiration of a disguise by Clown. Can't really consider the revealed abilities of Wimp to be a spoiler.
Now to examine Clown. Only real skill shown is the ability to make a disguise. But this is countered by the inability to actually dress appropriately for the environment he's in. We get three examples of this.
- When they first appear downtown in noble attire.
- When Clown appears in Benno's shop wearing clothing suitable for the poorer southern part of the city. Didn't that idiot spend any time observing customers entering and leaving there? Did he bother to look at the sales people? Obviously no. So of course, Mark does the "May I help you?" with the body language saying "we both know you don't belong here, now leave."
- When Clown appears downtown again, disguised as a farmer. And he bumps into Lutz's mother who immediately asks him what he's doing since there's no reason for a farmer to be in that area of town. So he runs away and continues to use the farmer disguise. He's an idiot.
If the potential spoiler is that we're supposed to learn that they're idiots gradually over time, then yes it's a minor spoiler. If instead, it's that Clown uses disguised, then there's another minor spoiler.
Now, some may consider me harsh in classifying those two as idiots. Well, IMO their investigation should have gone as follows:
- Stop at the Merchants guild and go to the Guild Master, "We require all information you have on Myne and Myne Studio." They're nobles after all, and the Guild Master a mere commoner, although a rich one. They would then know about Lutz and Benno. Also they might possibly learn about Freida.
- If they know of Freida, then interview her.
- Get anything they can from the Merchants Guild on Benno and Lutz.
- Visit Benno's shop and interview him. Find out when Lutz will be available and interview him. Additionally, they'll learn about Otto, and likely interview Otto. After all, if one of their questions to Benno isn't "How did you first meet Myne?", then they're hopelessly brain dead. From all this, they should now know about Gunther.
- Interview Gunther at the gate.
Of course, during these interviews they can request that they not speak of or discuss with anyone about those interviews.
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Original side story was written as flash back. Thus had some conversation in Part 3 time line showing some of their relationship to Myne and HP in that time line. Turned out, they removed all that when making into OVA. It is now transformed into more of a flash forward story with much more vague reference to two future characters.
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@22144418 said in Bookworm Part 2 Vol. 3 Discussion!:
Wait... so anime adaptations of LNs are made to get more people into the LN... that does make sense, but why would you go as far as one season for any adaptation to begin with?
Jnovel can tell you why; after Bookworm started airing the forums had a lot of people just interested in Bookworm and nothing else. In many cases the anime is basically an advert for the more lucrative LN sales.
It would make sense for No Game No Life (no season 2), but then Konosuba gets two seasons and a movie, Re:Zero, Log Horizon, and Slime are getting an anime adaptation this year... you may as well make the anime miss the last volume, so everyone goes scrambling for the LN source to sate themselves, rather than to finish it.
The series you are discussing are all extremely popular though, think of all the 'LN trash' anime that comes out each season that never gets a second season. There has a been recent change for additional seasons of stuff but that is only the extremely popular ones.
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Oh, it just occurred to me. This was a HUGE spoiler for English LN reader. When the volume containing this story comes out, you have already know the contents of one of the side story.
You will be totally disappointed when you start reading that story because you have seen this OVA and that there is no element of surprise there. And don't you all look forward to see what kind of POV you will see at the end of each volume? Well, sorry to say that 50% of that joy of opening that last part for that volume is gone.
Also, what kills me is that this story is much more dramatic in the context it is originally shown in LN. Now I realized what bothering me is not that OVA is spoiling main story line about those two characters. It spoiled this side story which is much more enjoyable after learning those characters, their relationship with Myne and HP, and presented in the context which was removed from OVA.
It is like doing this in a small scale.
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I watched episode 1 of the anime and then avoided all further episodes.
I don't want any spoilers, and would rather just wait years to be fully caught up with the Japanese volumes...
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@Justaidan right... there's a lot of adaptations that don't do so well.
I can't quite grasp what you're saying about after the anime aired (may just be me not resting very much). I imagine that you mean that there's nothing else that supports bookworm aside from the anime and LN, or that no one was that into it to where they wanted more, yes? In that case, it would boil down to whether they see making more of the Bookworm anime is better or not, if I got things right.About the idiots @jcochran : they can't reveal who they're working for. you have to acknowledge that there is basically no sense of privacy rights. All they would really know is that Myne is this commoner daughter of a soldier who has a large coin she can give and a lot of mana. I doubt that Ferdinand would give much else away, if not less than what we've seen; Ferdinand only knew that Myne had a whole studio when she decided to talk about giving the coin in pieces. Not even ____ is given that much info, and had originally assumed that him being an attendant to Myne was him being inferior. Gray robed priests are also not nobility; it is sound all the way to commoner's ears that they are not equal to them, and are merely found orphans.
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@22144418 said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
I can't quite grasp what you're saying about after the anime aired (may just be me not resting very much).
Jnovel saw an increase in membership of people just looking for the LN of bookworm. This is an example of the anime-as-an-advert for the LN.
I imagine that you mean that there's nothing else that supports bookworm aside from the anime and LN, or that no one was that into it to where they wanted more, yes? In that case, it would boil down to whether they see making more of the Bookworm anime is better or not, if I got things right.
It's unlikely that a second season of Bookworm will be made unless the anime industry has really changed its normal method of operation for the last decade. In general the anime isn't really worth it unless it improves the sales of the LN, if the LN is already selling well then the anime isn't really needed so it is only when there is a LN series that whose sales could be increased that you generally see an anime for.
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@22144418 said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
I can't quite grasp what you're saying about after the anime aired (may just be me not resting very much)
Sales of the series in Japan had significant boost after anime started. I track the number here.
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@22144418 they don't have to say who they're working for. They're nobles asking questions of commoners about a commoner.
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@Justaidan said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
It's unlikely that a second season of Bookworm will be made unless the anime industry has really changed its normal method of operation for the last decade. In general the anime isn't really worth it unless it improves the sales of the LN, if the LN is already selling well then the anime isn't really needed so it is only when there is a LN series that whose sales could be increased that you generally see an anime for.
You mean a third season? Or are you counting the two cours as a single season? Part 2 begins airing in like two weeks.
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@LegitPancake Both "seasons" where originally requested together so there wasn't actually a second season green lit by those making the decisions on what gets made. It was one 24 episode season. In contrast something like Konosuba or Re:Zero both had/have 2nd seasons.
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Second season starts 4/4/20 if interested
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@dawnmm Yep. While I don't think it will be as good as the books just due to time constraints it is great to watch it from outside Myne's perspective. The standout moments are obviously things like seeing how Myne presented herself when Crushing the High Bishop and how surreal/otherworldly Myne appears when questioning Lutz about when does he think she replaced the original Myne.
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@LegitPancake I actually liked the series a lot from episode 2 on. I thought the 1st episode very slow but I liked how it picked up
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It is already 4/1 in Japan.
Translation:
(Right) The story now moves onto rice field
(Left) New Chapter of Farming Fantasy for Rice Lovers
(middle) Ascendance of a Rice Lover (* Riceworm wouldn't be a good translation), I'll do anything to eat white rice.
(bottom) Broadcasting starts on April 3020.Source: This tweet from the anime team.
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@hiroto so I see it's a heart warming slice of life tale of a little girl suffering from a rare sickness called beriberi. Should be fun to watch.
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Second season OP song is posted.
BTW, @Rahul-Balaggan, do we continue on with this topic, or maybe we should start 2nd season topic separately?
