Make JNC clear again
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If it's about being able to try a series out before deciding whether to buy, I do think having more of the prepub available would be good. Maybe like 1/2-3/4 of the first novel. 1 chapter isn't really enough for a lot of things to get a good idea of what it's like, but I understand not wanting to provide entire volumes to encourage people to buy the books and stuff. I think this would be a good compromise, if allowed by the license. Seeing how there are catch-ups, I would guess this would be possible, but I don't really know of course. I know this would encourage me on some series I've been hesitating on buying from the start for which I missed out on the prepubs earlier (since I only recently joined).
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I would agree that for Vol 1, they ought to have more than just Part 1 available. I think 3/4 would be overkill, but maybe the first 3 parts would be a workable solution.
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@renofury said in Make JNC clear again:
@paul-nebeling well I don't proofread I just enjoy, since may grammar doesn't allow me to. Also access to forum with other LN fans is a big plus.
So you never pinpoint and post a suspected line of being worded wrong, or a errant comma giving a misunderstanding on what you’ve read
Wow... such people exist... ;)
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Thou not really glad to admit it, its more like I do not notice mistakes while reading.
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@renofury The tendency to spot "bad things" depends a lot on how you learned the language. I dare say the "English language" as it exists today is demonstratively different than the "English language" I was taught in school decades ago, and people raised on today's "English language (texting edition)" are a lot more tolerant of "almost right" than I am.
For me, I have to maintain the old standard, and being picky here helps me remember that I can't lolz a Vice President of Marketing at a Fortune 500 corporation in a business proposal.
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@jpwong said in Make JNC clear again:
I would agree that for Vol 1, they ought to have more than just Part 1 available. I think 3/4 would be overkill, but maybe the first 3 parts would be a workable solution.
I don't know what the ideal amount would be, but I wouldn't be surprised if even an unintuitively large portion of the first volume might be fine because I would imagine the farther one reads the more one would get into it (and thus want to buy the book to read the rest).
License Wishlist: Kino's Journey, Crest/Banner anthology, SukaMoka
Favorite JNC Series: Bookworm, Faraway Paladin, Dendro, Grimgar, Crest/Banner of the Stars, Tearmoon Empire, Skull Dragon's Precious Daughter, Apothecary Diaries, Otome Heroine's Fight -
I read banned books
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@jon-mitchell said in Make JNC clear again:
vary it by series - so that it cuts off at a cliff hanger
<evil laughter>
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lol I don't know how much effort that would take on JNC's part, but that would definitely be one way to do it ;)
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@jon-mitchell I think that’s actually a great idea. I mean you’re giving out something free it’s not bad to use that free to leverage sales.
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no such thing as a free lunch...
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@someoldguy said in Make JNC clear again:
@renofury The tendency to spot "bad things" depends a lot on how you learned the language. I dare say the "English language" as it exists today is demonstratively different than the "English language" I was taught in school decades ago, and people raised on today's "English language (texting edition)" are a lot more tolerant of "almost right" than I am.
For me, I have to maintain the old standard, and being picky here helps me remember that I can't lolz a Vice President of Marketing at a Fortune 500 corporation in a business proposal.
You mean the old standard of double space after a period, and lower case except names after a comma?
Our standards have really dropped...
Let’s not get into the “to indent or not” for a new paragraph debate either... lolz
What am I reading?
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Seirei Gensouki
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Realist Hero
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Wortenia Senki
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D-Genesis
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Arifureta
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By The Grace of Gods
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Ideal Sponger Life
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@jon-mitchell said in Make JNC clear again:
vary it by series - so that it cuts off at a cliff hanger
<evil laughter>
:)
So so so evil...
Like a Friday episode of whatever daytime drama you where ever into...
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The problem with having that much available, is your basically getting an abbreviated version of the book...
Most books, unless mysteries, who dun it etc, you can get the idea before you’ve reached the point most people would suggest.
I for one have the reading habit of “if it’s a larger arc, read two volumes at once”. For example, danmachi I usually read 2-3 having stockpiled.
Now, that said, Gensouki has some duplication so at the 3/4 of the novel point, I basically filled in the rest mysel. Sure, it was nice to read, and enjoyable, but I could have skipped it KNOWING what was going to happen... next volume reprising to some extent...
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@thomask Two words that strike fear into the hearts of many:
Style Manual
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Yea I feel this one, I first joined on a regular membership but then when I realized that I couldn't just read all of the books of the one series I had joined to read, I was pretty pissed. Then when id figured out I needed to buy premium and or tokens it was even more frustrating.
It would have been nice to understand that instead of a regular library this service is more like a library where all non new books burst into flames and you need to buy your own copy after that.
I understand this stops people getting bored and reading everything and then unsubscribing but knowing that ahead of time would have made it better. -
The FAQ NEEDS to be rewritten. People cannot be expected to understand such misleading statements that border on false advertising.
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@cid It would be helpful if you were highlight specific points to rephrased. Perhaps, you could offer examples of how things could be better reworded?
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I took a look at the FAQ and I think maybe they should drop the "saving you 20% off the retail ebook price" bit because it's confusing as to what that statement is referring to in regards to the monthly credit.
It might also be beneficial to reword "They can also purchase additional Credits à la carte for $6 each" to mirror the line with similar wording to the regular member benefits, ie "They can also purchase Premium Credits for $6 each" as it does sort of imply that only premium members can buy extra credits a la carte and that normal members have some sort of unlisted purchasing restriction beyond the $1 price increase.
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the information is there (and pretty clear now that they re-did the website)
under the "how it works" link
premium is:
✔️ Everything included in a Regular Membership!
✔️ A free Premium Ebook credit each month!
✔️ Buy more credits for $1 discountand a little further down
"All Members can buy Premium Credits to redeem for Premium ebooks! Regular Members pay $7 per credit, while Premium Members pay $6—a $1 discount! Credits do not expire and can be redeemed even without an active subscription!"in the FAQ section
What benefits do Members get and how much does it cost?
Becoming a J-Novel Club Member costs $4.95 a month, or $54 a year with an annual subscription ($4.50 a month).Members can read the latest pre-publication (prepub) parts as they are finished being translated for all of our ongoing series! They can also purchase Premium Credits for $7 each.
Also, there is a special Members-only section of our forums where members can discuss these prepub releases...
What benefits do Premium Members get and how much does it cost?
Becoming a J-Novel Club Premium Member costs $10.95 month-to-month, or $120 a year for an annual subscription ($10 a month).Premium Members have all the benefits of normal Members, plus they get a Premium Credit to exchange for a Premium ebook once every month, saving you 20% off the retail ebook price! They can also purchase additional Credits à la carte for $6 each, a $1 savings from the standard Member price.
has this changed since the most recent concerns were raised in the forum? (my copy/paste was done on July 11 06:00 CDT) if not, both the "how it works" and "FAQ" info that I copied (I did the bolding) are pretty clear
I'll segue to a related topic - still relevant to this thread
Premium Membership Advantages:-
the potential financial/cost savings (depending on how you consume your ebooks- if you prefer to use paypal, or want native content in the amazon ecology, this isn't a benefit) covered ad nauseum, above
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in my opinion, a benefit that is at least as important: you are 'voting with your dollars'. It has been asked several times "how do we amplify our suggestions for publication?" or "how to we tell JNC we really would like them to take on a particular project?" I suspect a big part of the decision making process when looking to take on a new project boils down to "will it sell?" Premium memberships and credits are reliable revenue streams for JNC, they likely know (at least in aggregate) what the most popular titles/authors/genres are among premium members (by what prepubs they read and which eBooks they buy with credits) Do you LOVE Bookworm? or (insert your favorite)? then use your premium membership to "vote" for that title/author/genre!
Consumers may not realize that to a business, predictable sales, or accurately forecasting sales, is like GOLD. They can go into a negotiation, hire, allocate resources, etc. based on DATA. With good data (such as what premium members pay for) getting 'more like what has reliably sold', is 'safe', or at least more safe than risking a complete unknown. Sometimes it does pay to take a risk in business, but even then businesses want to take calculated risks backed by reliable data----How does Netflix or HBO decide what to create/acquire? After all they don't sell individual titles of what they stream, but they do track what viewers watch. Netflix uses algorithms and artificial intelligence to suggest titles (that they've already licensed) to viewers, and they user DATA to decide what to purchase/produce that will keep subscribers paying each month and/or attract new subscribers (and it's worked pretty well for them)
I read banned books
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@jon-mitchell said in Premium membership advantages?:
Consumers may not realize that to a business, predictable sales, or accurately forecasting sales, is like GOLD. They can go into a negotiation, hire, allocate resources, etc. based on DATA.
Quoting this just to draw attention to it. A good part of what I do for a living revolves around pricing and managing services the company I work for provides. The single most valuable thing we offer, both in terms of value to us internally and how we allocate resources or hire additional resources as well as externally for how a company is valued for lines of credit, acquiring investors, etc are any services that are monthly, with annual coming in right behind that.
So our memberships are of huge value both because it let's Sam and Team know where and how to expand but also because it almost certainly ties into helping with where and how they cover paying for stuff like physical book publishing. My knowledge of how publishing works is a decade old (and really geared around manga publishing) but typically the publisher never wants to pay in full up front for the cost and instead they want to pay on installment. This keeps liquidity - cash on hand, basically - at a higher level so you have higher stability, even if it cost sightly more over all. And they should be getting better deals both in terms with how much they can put on installment and what the cost of doing so is when they can show that a significant amount of the company income is predictable.
