People over at the J Novel Club are knock off Yakuza
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@jnovelaremonsters said in People over at the J Novel Club are knock off Yakuza:
Now that I am awake, I will start by commending the mods for keeping this thread open. Legitimately surprised that it didn't get taken down.
These mods aren't Evilore. xC
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https://imgur.com/gallery/Q0w1g
Friend made this, according to the OP this is Sam.Edit: I give up trying to get it to embed the image.
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@microdynames Thats on the assumption that the authors aren't okay with it. And 'moral' right is a bullshit argument to begin with. The only reason why ANY of you know of any of these series is because of the hard work of these 'pirates' have done. There would be an entire market in the west that wouldn't have known, or paid money for their content. The whole reason that the authors are getting money from the west is purely through the efforts of the fan translations. But to you, I guess the fan translators should feel thankful that they didnt have their legs broken. -_-
If they wanted a link to their content, then why not simply ask for it? Why not cooperate? While I 100% applaud the recruitment of SOME (understandably can't employ all) of the translators, they could still work with the community to make it better. And I can sense it, your response of 'they dont have to, they have the legal high ground' is true and valid but the difference being one is being an awesome company that everyone benefits from and other is just being a dick.
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So, you are butt-hurt because their crappy machine translation which is not only a disgrace to the author's work, but a disgrace to both Japanese and English languages was asked to be removed? :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Ey Boss. Want me to break this guy's shins? Wrench 'im in the clavicle? Teach 'im a little lesson about who's in charge round 'ere?
Pick yer poison, bub. You jus' met yer maker. This is our town, scrub.
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@hakomari said in People over at the J Novel Club are knock off Yakuza:
So, you are butt-hurt because their crappy machine translation which is not only a disgrace to the author's work, but a disgrace to both Japanese and English languages was asked to be removed? :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
I feel your speech is an offense to the English language. Does that mean that you are no longer talk? Grow up.
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@jnovelaremonsters "You are no longer talk"
Bud you can't say anything about disgracing the English language
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@jnovelaremonsters said in People over at the J Novel Club are knock off Yakuza:
Thats on the assumption that the authors aren't okay with it.
Great, why don't you ask the author yourself if they prefer to have money for their work or not have money for their work? I'll be waiting.
And 'moral' right is a bullshit argument to begin with.
Interesting, because your entire argument appears to be predicated on the immorality of contacting fan translators to (voluntarily, mind you, because there are no actual legal teeth behind the request) gradually remove their stuff.
The only reason why ANY of you know of any of these series is because of the hard work of these 'pirates' have done. There would be an entire market in the west that wouldn't have known, or paid money for their content. The whole reason that the authors are getting money from the west is purely through the efforts of the fan translations.
Splendid, so the fan translation has served its purpose and there is now a legal avenue to reading in English that supports the author. Is there any good reason to leave up still the volumes that are already available officially in English if your intent is to actually support the author with money from the west? Are the fan translators sending any of their Patreon or ad money to the authors?
But to you, I guess the fan translators should feel thankful that they didnt have their legs broken. -_-
Ah, so you are now resorting to placing words in one's mouth. Yes, a cease and desist is entirely comparable to having one's legs broken.
If they wanted a link to their content, then why not simply ask for it? Why not cooperate?
Do you understand that a phased removal over time instead of the alleged threatened "we will tell the author to nuke you" itself constitutes cooperation? "We will provide the official works that support the author, you can continue to provide a service to those who can't wait for the next volume to be released".
but the difference being one is being an awesome company that everyone benefits from and other is just being a dick.
When the baseline is a "nuke it, shut it down" from a lawyer as per Yen Press and Kadokawa, this level of cooperation is already laudable.
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@jnovelaremonsters said in People over at the J Novel Club are knock off Yakuza:
The only reason why ANY of you know of any of these series is because of the hard work of these 'pirates' have done.
Woah there, on what grounds do you have to make that super baseless accusation.
I have never once in my life read an unofficial light novel translation. I pick titles to ask publishers to license based off of an already aired anime or a manga adaption that has been licensed.
And in my whole life the only manga unofficial translation I have ever read is One Piece cause I was an ignorant kid who didn’t know that what I was reading was stolen property, when I found out I stopped going to those websites and waited till I grew the hell up got a job and paid to support my hobbies.
It don’t matter if I am in the minority here either way you are wrong saying everyone only knows things through piracy.
Sorry but J-Novel Club does not publicly comment on any potential licensing decision or acquisitions.
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Oh boy, Godfather Sam and his boys getting rid of some bad business. Psst Hey Jnovelaremonsters, I got some intel that they will go all Nora Valkyrie and break your legs
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Why are you even trying to correct my English when THIS CRAP -
In the darkness, the light quickly disappears. Even unconscious the hand reached out to grasp at nothing, while falling there was a sense of tightening in the nether region. Nagumo Hajime’s face distorted with fear as the light disappeared from his vision.
Currently, Hajime was falling down a deep cliff that looked like the entrance to hell. The only light visible was the light that illuminated the ground above. As he continued to fall the light no longer reached him, the surrounding turned black, Hajime searched the dungeon, and on the cervices of the sides he saw a revolving lantern as the sound of wind passed by him.
Being a Japanese myself, the inequality that he tasted when he came to this world was too hard to represent in words and the hope that this fantasy world would rid of it, the current history of the misfortune that he tasted in progressive form.
Monday, the most melancholy of all the days has just started. For most people, at this time of the week would sigh, while the previous day would be heaven to them.
And Nagumo Hajime was not an exception to this notion. However, in Hajime’s case, it was not just a simple bother, the cozy school was associated with a very bad feeling, probably because he was depressed. As always, when the last bell chimed at school, he opened the door to the classroom with his tired body from pulling an all-nighter.
At that moment, Hajime received glares and clicking of tongues from the majority of the male students in the classroom. The girls did not have a friendly expression either. It was fine if the people were indifferent, but there were those who had an expression of contempt directed at him.-is what you are trying to defend.
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@jnovelaremonsters said in People over at the J Novel Club are knock off Yakuza:
In fact, if it wasn't for the treatment of the literal foundation of why ANY OF YOU CARE about Japanese novels
My memory is fuzzy, but I think the literal foundation of why I care about Japanese novels was either wanting to know more about the events only referred to in Boogiepop Phantom, wanting to see the original work of some other show rather than just another adaptation (i.e. the manga, which was mid still more likely to get picked up in English than the LN) or to know what happened after the end of an anime the ended on a cliffhanger. So if you're saying that some random guy on the internet reproducing someone else's stories without permission is my "foundation" then you are wrong.
P.S. good on you for buying stuff. Sadly, you're in the minority.
P.P.S. First fan translation of an LN I ever read was Youjo Senki, right after buying all the books, while watching the anime, just before Yen announced their license. -
@rahul-balaggan Yeah, me too - never read a fan translation of a LN.
I think the Sword Art Online Anime’s popularity is what brought me to Light Novels (not directly , I didn’t watch the show until after readin the LNs from Yen, but I think the popularity of the show, not fan translations, is what convinced Yen that now was a good time to bring the anime over).
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@jnovelaremonsters If the authors not being ok with it is a “bullshit”answer because the fan translators are doing just selfless service, then why are you so against someone making the authors aware of the work so they can decide? Shouldn’t the authors of the work have some say in how their work is sold? I truly don’t understand why you seem to have a pro- translator, anti- author bias...
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@jnovelaremonsters Good grief. I'm coming in late to this argument, but I'll say that you're off base just from your screen name. The whole debate about intellectual property has been going on for a long while, and I don't think we are going to resolve anything here, but here's my $0.02. Since we are talking about translations, I'll limit myself to that.
Translations are, IMO, a derivative work. The translator is expending resources creating something that, while not original, is unique. As such, the translator has ever right to charge as much, or as little, as they desire for that work. It's up to the market to decide whether to pay that price or not. The characters; however, are a completely different matter.
There is a long-standing legal principle that a character belongs to it's creator. Any use of that character, even in a derivative work, requires the permission, or at least the silent acquiescence, of the creator. In that regard, fan fiction and translation are the same. The creator can actively permit it, silently allow it, or actively prohibit it. It's not up to the readers to choose which course of action to take.
That being said, it's not really open for debate when a person who does have permission from the original creators to use their works decides to go after someone that does not have permission. That is their right.
I've said this before. I think J-novel Club deals with fan translations in a fair and evenhanded manner. Arguing about who did what first is a lot of wasted noise.
Soapbox mode off
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@hakomari missed the point, not trying to correct your English. Just saying that just because you dont like something doesn't mean it doesn't deserved to exist.
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@rahul-balaggan said in People over at the J Novel Club are knock off Yakuza:
@jnovelaremonsters said in People over at the J Novel Club are knock off Yakuza:
The only reason why ANY of you know of any of these series is because of the hard work of these 'pirates' have done.
Woah there, on what grounds do you have to make that super baseless accusation....
Me neither, never read a fanslation besides a video game fanslation. Don't know if I'm the outlier or the majority. I pick my titles based on Justus R Stone's weekly top ten, anime series, manga I hear is based on LNs, and game adaptations.
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@the-green-death I dont mind people going about their own legal discourse. Its the threats and attempts to scare people like the mafia that are the issue. Granted, if the author did feel like dumping on the fan translators then chances are I would no longer support them, buying their merchandise or read their content. But again, my beef is with JNC and how they treat fan translators. My account name isnt authorsaremonsters
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@readingsteiner said in People over at the J Novel Club are knock off Yakuza:
Ey Boss. Want me to break this guy's shins? Wrench 'im in the clavicle? Teach 'im a little lesson about who's in charge round 'ere?
Pick yer poison, bub. You jus' met yer maker. This is our town, scrub.
:wrench: :knife: :bomb:Baccano season 2 inbound? Getting my :popcorn: ready! xP
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Translations like those are bad for the reputation of the work. Poor fan-translations are one of the reasons to why light novels have a bad reputation in anime and manga communities.
