Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.

kuali

@salientmind Well, the grass is always greener on the other side, as they say. A man sleeping alone may dream of sleeping in a pile of women; A man sleeping in a pile of women will dream of having his own bed :)

unknownmat

@kuali said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:

A man sleeping in a pile of women will dream of having his own bed

Heh, yeah. Have you ever noticed that in old US TV shows the bedroom will have two twin beds instead of a single queen or king? Presumably this is because they didn't want to (or couldn't) depict two people sleeping in the same bed.

But, while watching one such older show recently, all I found myself thinking was, "What a great idea! No sweaty sheet. No flailing limbs. No jostling. I'd love to switch to a pair of twin beds." I just need to find a way to break it to my wife...

poisonedbite

It's a little early for Festivus, but alright.

@strangeattractor said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:

If it was actual fluid mechanics I'd be interested, but usually it is ignorant enough to end up uncanny valley or that feeling you get when the author hasn't done enough research. For all the attention on boobs, so little of it is insightful or observant.

Like Highschool of the Dead?

@rsog412 said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:

@rahul-balaggan said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:

Every single fighting scene, in any Light Novel.

Just a personal thing, but no matter what LN it has been, any fighting scene with actual details on the fight are not my cup of tea.

Writing good fight scenes is hard. The best advice I was given for writing them is that by and large, your reader does not care about the fight. If you write a fight scene and try to make that scene be about the fight, that's as bad as writing a conversation scene about small talk and the mechanics of conversation. A good fight scene needs to center the characters and what they care about, more than the fight.

I'll counter with Danmachi/Infinite Dendrogram and Monogatari.

I agree, mostly, though. Most fight scenes are not good. The monogatari point, well, the entire series is small talk. Outside of light novels, my favorite fight scenes are probably in ELLC. Being a shapeshifting monster, Boxxy has some really interesting fights.

WaterDweller

@unknownmat said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:

But, while watching one such older show recently, all I found myself thinking was, "What a great idea! No sweaty sheet. No flailing limbs. No jostling. I'd love to switch to a pair of twin beds." I just need to find a way to break it to my wife...

It seems that an increasing number of adult couples do what I've heard go by the term "living apart together", where they live separately, yet come together/visit each other on a regular basis. While it might take things a step further than simply maintaining separate beds, or even separate bedrooms, it honestly sounds to me like a pretty nice way to go about things, assuming both can afford to maintain their own place. Reduces the chances that they'll get tired of each other or start getting on each other's nerves, and whenever they want to spend a night or two or a week together, one can simply visit the other for that time period.

(Edit: and it just occured to me that this is completely off topic for the thread, so apologies for that)

unknownmat

@waterdweller said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:

(Edit: and it just occured to me that this is completely off topic for the thread, so apologies for that)

No worries. I don't think it's so off-topic if you consider that this same problem would definitely arise in any real-world harem, but rarely gets addressed in LNs (not to mention the internal bickering between the wives themselves).

People you are around all the time can really get on your nerves. As Benjamin Franklin noted, "Guests and fish smell after three days." Wise words to live by.

Campbella

@unknownmat said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:

Honestly, all those multiparty napping scenes just leave me feeling exhausted - "Jesus, that can't be very restful".

Late Start Tamer recently had parts with his tamed monsters sleeping with him and his response over time as the cute factor wears off is so funny to me

salientmind

@waterdweller this is actually very relevant, because in addition to sleeping together, all these harems live together.

Anyone whose had multiple roommates can tell you that maintaining a group environment without emotions/sex is difficult. Meanwhile Souma has a bunch of wives. Most of these harem series rely on an very competent "first wife" to effortlessly manage the rest.

Folker46

Interesting or at least funny stories that die. Reincarnated as a Vending Machine, Sorcerer King of Destruction, and S Class Monster were pretty good, but not great, stories that just stopped after a few chapters. I kind of understood why but I still feel that with more world building they could have gotten a wider audience.

Dungeon Busters suffers from the author having the wrong character as the MC. The old guy MC is boring and gets too much attention while the young girl with monsters as pets gets almost nothing, yet she is MUCH more interesting to read about then him. I do hate the illustrations in the LN though, mega boobs just look stupid.

The point being when an author almost ignores a better character because they are wedded to the MC they started with.

kuali

@folker46 I'd probably put Erica Aurelia down as my 'interesting, died too early' entry.

Not sure if I'd consider 'died to early' or 'went on too long' as being worse, but I can't say I'm a fan of either.

Lily Garden

@kuali said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:

@folker46 I'd probably put Erica Aurelia down as my 'interesting, died too early' entry.

Not sure if I'd consider 'died to early' or 'went on too long' as being worse, but I can't say I'm a fan of either.

'Died too early' is worse in my opinion because with 'went on too long' at least some readers are enjoying it and the author is still getting paid, but with 'died too early' no one is happy

kuali

@lily-garden That's true, I suppose. Plus, there's nothing keeping you from dropping an overlong series once you've hit the point of diminishing returns, but there's no easy way to keep reading one that got cancelled early...

salientmind

@folker46 said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:

I do hate the illustrations in the LN though, mega boobs just look stupid.

On the topic of illustrations, it's annoying when they are hyper sexual when the content of the book is... not.

SomeOldGuy

@salientmind Like the manga version of Realist Hero, where the breast sizes would need to require using magic to be able to move around?

MasterLillyclaw

@kuali said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:

I'd probably put Erica Aurelia down as my 'interesting, died too early' entry.

Lies down
Tries not to cry
Cries a lot ToT

One of the only series where I was like “Fine! I’ll read MTL, just give me more!”

Folker46

Another grievance I have is with Tanya the Evil. It's a good story but then the writer jumps ahead 40 years and gives away what happens to the Empire and who won the war. The only saving grace to that is that Tanya's very existence is a state secret no one is supposed to talk about, so we don't know whether she survived the war, died in a prison camp, is still fighting Being-x, or is an officer in the new Federal Republic. I just wish the writer had NOT shown us the future, it toke away a lot of the suspense.

kuali

@folker46 The story follows the fantasy version of Imperial Germany in a war that's taking elements from WW1 (that Germany lost) and WW2 (that Germany lost). I have to admit, I kinda saw that outcome coming...

I do get your point about random flash-forwards, though. It is a real dramatic-tension-killer. Actually, I think even worse than Tanya are the series that do that right in the prologue of the first volume. My Quiet Blacksmith Life in Another World and... I think it was Late-Start Tamer?... come to mind there.

HarmlessDave

@masterlillyclaw said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:

@kuali said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:

I'd probably put Erica Aurelia down as my 'interesting, died too early' entry.

Lies down
Tries not to cry
Cries a lot ToT

One of the only series where I was like “Fine! I’ll read MTL, just give me more!”

Yes, that was one I really liked :(

How awful is the MTL? Is it better than gibberish? (I don't read fan TLs, but reading the WN itself is legal.)

HarmlessDave

@kuali said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:

@folker46 The story follows the fantasy version of Imperial Germany in a war that's taking elements from WW1 (that Germany lost) and WW2 (that Germany lost). I have to admit, I kinda saw that outcome coming...

I do get your point about random flash-forwards, though. It is a real dramatic-tension-killer. Actually, I think even worse than Tanya are the series that do that right in the prologue of the first volume. My Quiet Blacksmith Life in Another World and... I think it was Late-Start Tamer?... come to mind there.

Oh, that is another thing I hate. Spoiler prologues trying to act as teasers and giving away the plot.

Loner Life volume 1 does that too, as I mentioned earlier. The book is better if you skip that part and then read it near the end.

MasterLillyclaw

@harmlessdave said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:

How awful is the MTL? Is it better than gibberish? (I don't read fan TLs, but reading the WN itself is legal.)

I don’t have a lot of MTL experience; I try to avoid it if at all possible, really. With that in mind, it was “normal” MTL in that it was bad but I dealt with it anyways.

(The only reason I dived in for DDD is because of the current bleakness of future LNs + there being so much more in the WN. Like, last I remember, it started either the penultimate or the final arc somewhat recently. So if MTL is the only way I could read that, for me it was worth it despite the gibberish.)

HarmlessDave

@masterlillyclaw said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:

@harmlessdave said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:

How awful is the MTL? Is it better than gibberish? (I don't read fan TLs, but reading the WN itself is legal.)

I don’t have a lot of MTL experience; I try to avoid it if at all possible, really. With that in mind, it was “normal” MTL in that it was bad but I dealt with it anyways.

(The only reason I dived in for DDD is because of the current bleakness of future LNs + there being so much more in the WN. Like, last I remember, it started either the penultimate or the final arc somewhat recently. So if MTL is the only way I could read that, for me it was worth it despite the gibberish.)

Thanks! That's another two for the Hate list:

Business reasons keep JNC from even trying to rescue license WNs for a JNC series that was canceled in Japan :(

Japanese publishers are slow to switch to digital-only releases for less successful titles.