Kara no Kyoukai - The Garden of Sinners


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    Set in Japan predominantly during the late 1990s, the series chronicles the life of Ryōgi clan-heiress Shiki Ryōgi, and her relationship with classmate Mikiya Kokutō.

    Both the light novel and the films are depicted in anachronical order with each chapter/film serving as part of one collective narrative.

    The series deals with the paranormal and tackles mature themes such as suicide, rape, patricide, incest and murder. Its lore and story draws inspiration from various religious philosophies and psychological concepts such as multiple personalities; the Anima and animus; the nature of sin; life, death and reincarnation; and the Paradoxical nature of the Taiji.

    Kara no Kyōkai is set in an alternate universe to Tsukihime and Fate/stay night; in which it serves as the prototype for both series as well as introducing many of the concepts prevalent within the latter two. In particular the main protagonist, Shiki Ryōgi, possesses similar abilities as Tsukihime's protagonist, Shiki Tohno. Aoko Aozaki's sister, Tōko Aozaki, briefly mentioned in Tsukihime, is also featured.

    As one of Kinoko Nasu's earliest works, it introduces some of the most fundamental concepts in the universe of Type-Moon's works, including souls, the Akashic Record/Origin, Counter Force, Magic, Magecraft, and Mystic Eyes.

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    This should be fairly well known and appeal to the Type-Moon fans, especially as the movies are now on Amazon Prime Video and the recent Fate/Grand Order collab event has reminded people that it exists. Neither of the currently existing fan translations are much good, as one is ancient and the other is full of made-up passages. Being published by Kodansha, an existing partner of J-Novel Club, could smooth its acquisition, barring any licensing issues with TYPE-MOON themselves or Aniplex. Although the license previously belonged to Del Rey, the example of Zaregoto's transfer to Vertical demonstrates that this is not an insurmountable obstacle.



  • Just to explain a few things

    @microdynames said in Kara no Kyoukai - The Garden of Sinners:

    Although the license previously belonged to Del Rey, the example of Zaregoto's transfer to Vertical demonstrates that this is not an insurmountable obstacle.

    Originally, Del Rey manga was part of Random House.
    When Kodansha decided to create Kodansha Comics, they worked with Radom House, whom they have a good relationship with, and Kodansha took over Del Ray with different name, Kodansha Comics.

    Since Kodansha wasn't planning to publish novels yet, they stopped all novels series they had.

    And since the market started to accept novels more now, they wanted to go back to novels as well.

    Here, comes Vertical Inc.
    Vertical Inc. is partly owned by Kodansha and they have been depending on Vertical as outlet for their novels, mature or non-mainstream manga.
    Attack On Titan novels
    Aku no Hana
    Blame!
    etc.

    So...the license didn't transfer
    Kodansha had it since ever.


    From Curious Cat:

    1. How difficult is it to get novels from other Kodansha labels like Kodansha Box (would love to see Katanagatari and Ryukishi07 novels) and Kodansha Taiga?
    2. Are you even interested in their other labels?

    Kodansha BOX has a relationship with Vertical (which Kodansha is invested in) so that one might be tricky. Other parts of Kodansha are really up to the individual editing department, so each new one is like starting from scratch.


    Note: that Zaregoto, and Kara no Kyoukai are part of Kodansha Novels
    and Vertical is showing interest in Kodansha Taiga too

    Basically, Vertical has more interest in regular novel line (Kodansha Box, Kodansha Taiga and Kodansha novels) than LIGHTNOVEL line



  • Ah
    Not all Del Rey novels stopped tho
    One-shots like Train man and xxxHOLiC: AnotherHOLiC are still in print


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    @bloodygaikotsu

    Vertical Inc. is partly owned by Kodansha

    Yes, thank you for stating the obvious.

    So...the license didn't transfer
    Kodansha had it since ever.

    ...ok? My point was that Kodansha has the power to do whatever they like with stuff that used to be published under Del Rey Manga, whether that's to hand it over to Vertical or otherwise.

    Basically, Vertical has more interest in regular novel line (Kodansha Box, Kodansha Taiga and Kodansha novels) than LIGHTNOVEL line

    Unless Vertical has called dibs on the entire Kodansha Novels lineup and blocked the entire thing from being even considered for licensing outside the Kodansha family, this is beside the point.


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    While I have no idea whether JNC could actually acquire the licence for Kara no Kyoukai, I'd love to see it and it'd be a definite purchase for me.



  • As a TM fan, I'd definitely pick this up if it ever got licensed. Same as with anything with TM's branding.


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    I give this upvote but This is one that I am fine if we do not get the LN, I can always watch the movies (which are now on Crunchyroll so it is even easier to watch them now.).


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    Oh I would wish for them to appear in a official translation. Till now we only had the first chapter (or was it prologue in "Faust".

    And even though I am happy that there is a fantranslation I hate that he removied the naruverse terms (or changed them).

    But yeah I see a problem as the license holder is Kodansha.

    @Microdynames Why so salty? "....Obvious", "....they can do what they want".
    Lets see. If you had an IP and a subcompany under you. Yes then I would most likely give it away to someone else in the same business. /s
    I don't understand why you are this defensive against the comments of @BloodyGaikotsu . Wasn't he totally right with everything?


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    @saskir Not defensive, just perplexed. He's factually correct, but it doesn't contradict anything I wrote. Vertical of course gets priority for Kodansha novels, just as Yen Press gets priority for Kadokawa novels. Kadokawa is still capable of licensing works such as Toradora and Shield Hero to other parties such as Seven Seas and One Peace. Vertical being apparently uninterested in the Kodansha Light Novels imprint has given J-Novel Club the run of the place so far, but there's no reason to think that this means it's out of the question for J-Novel Club to license anything at all from other Kodansha imprints, should Kodansha choose to allow them and Vertical not object. Of course, Kadokawa and Kodansha are two different companies with their own internal structures, but in the absence of insider information on how the relationship between Kodansha and Vertical may differ from that between Kadokawa and Yen Press, one can only go off the information that one has.



  • @microdynames

    1. I am talking about how Sam said it's difficult for him to get stuff from these lines
      I ain't sure what Sam means by politically difficult but I don't think it entails anything like it's exclusive for the publisher they own.

    After all,
    Yen licenses from Shogakukan (LN only since Shogakukan licenses their manga to VIZ & Fantagraphics Books exclusively) and Shueisha
    Seven Seas from Shueisha, Kadokawa, Kodansha LIGHTNOVEL
    Viz licenses from Kodakawa
    Vertical license from Kadoakawa
    Dark Horse Comics from Shueisha, Kadokawa and Kodansha (Well, Dark Horse have some ties with Kodansha.)

    1. Also, Del Rey situation ain't like Tokyopop, Del Rey titles belong to Kodansha USA (I didn't mean the Japanese side but the American side)

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    @bloodygaikotsu said in Kara no Kyoukai - The Garden of Sinners:

    I am talking about how Sam said it's difficult for him to get stuff from these lines
    I ain't sure what Sam means by politically difficult but I don't think it entails anything like it's exclusive for the publisher they own.

    I see, ok, gotcha. I was a bit confused over what you were trying to say (especially with the "license didn't transfer" bit since from my perspective it was transferred, even if it was internally within Kodansha), so I'm really sorry if I came across as rude.

    So as far as I can tell what Sam said in that curiouscat reply is that individual labels under Kodansha have discretion over licensing because of their separate editing departments, so talking to a different label other than Kodansha Lightnovels is extra work. So talking to Kodansha BOX is "tricky" ("politically difficult" was the word he used for some other reply) because they've currently in deep with Vertical and their editing department may take that into consideration.

    Also, Del Rey situation ain't like Tokyopop

    True although nobody said anything about Tokyopop :D