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    • Libri LiberorumL
      Libri Liberorum Premium Member
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      @lurkingmclurk You are right. Sorry.

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      • hirotoH
        hiroto
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        In Japan, final episodes 13 and 14 are aired in sequence today. I wonder if crunchyroll would manage to do the same.

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        • LurkingMcLurkL
          LurkingMcLurk Member
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          All the end-cards.
          https://imgur.com/a/AZTW5Tx

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          • Paul NebelingP
            Paul Nebeling Premium Member @hiroto
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            @hiroto Yup. Looking at the page right now.

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            • jcochranJ
              jcochran Premium Member @hiroto
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              @hiroto they did.

              Morning and Mourning sound alike for good and sufficient reasons.

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              • Paul NebelingP
                Paul Nebeling Premium Member
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                As this cour wraps up, a few things that the anime and the LN translated differently that bug me. The beat-to-death Main-Myne thing tops the list. The High Priest's "demotion" to Head Priest and the High Bishop becoming the High Priest bugs me. And I don't like the visual for the High Bishop. He looks too much like a kindly grandfather type when we all know what kind of an asshole he really is.

                Edit to add:
                Chibi High Priest and Myne's after-credit scene cemented the next cour and provided some amusing foreshadowing of the things to come. I must admit that I'm slightly disappointed that we still are, seemingly, still watching the High Priest's mind meld. Couldn't think of a better term for it.

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                • jcochranJ
                  jcochran Premium Member @Paul Nebeling
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                  @paul-nebeling the translation of the two high ranking clergy into High Priest and High Bishop is a compromise of their actual roles in the LN. And there's a lot of different ways they can be made. Their roles are the High Bishop is in charge of the temple as a whole. And fact, calling him a bishop is giving entirely too authority since a bishop in real life has authority over multiple temples/churches not just one. An the high priest has authority over the clergy in the temple. Basically the HB has administrative control and the HP has religious control. Now in the story, the HB is a lazy entitled piece of crap and doesn't actually do his job, so Ferdinand is stuck with doing both the job of HP and HB, plus coming up with things to keep HB from having a leg to stand on to complain about HP's decisions. And as for his appearance, that's accurate. If he thinks you're rich, or a noble, he's a friendly grandfatherly figure. If he finds out you're not, he's an asshole. But just because he's an asshole, that wouldn't change his appearance.

                  Morning and Mourning sound alike for good and sufficient reasons.

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                  • Paul NebelingP
                    Paul Nebeling Premium Member @jcochran
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                    @jcochran Yeah, I did raise an eyebrow over the "Bishop" title when contrasted to our reality. Still, Ferdinand is in charge of the temple and the one that supervises that position is nominally a Bishop. I'm curious what the original Japanese says. @Quof, can you enlighten us, please?

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                    • hopebestmanH
                      hopebestman @Paul Nebeling
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                      @paul-nebeling High Bishop's visual accually correct. This is quote from Volume 3 when he heard Myne's parents job "He was looking down at my parents with condescending eyes and there wasn’t a trace of his friendly old grandpa expression from just a second ago. It was at that moment that I realized I had only been treated so well due to the power of money, and that in reality we were indeed living in a status-based society."

                      8 parts, 8 weeks to read a book, than binge read the same book within' 2 hours again.

                      Myne: Did we deceived him?
                      Ferdinand: Indeed we did.
                      Myne: *surprised myneface

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                        It works either way, but as "High Priest" and "Head Priest" are probably technically better. However as a lazy reader "High" and "Head" are to similar and I kept reading them wrong. I prefer the "High Bishop" and "High Priest".

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                        • hopebestmanH
                          hopebestman
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                          I dont remember in LN conversation with Tulli and Effa about possible execution.I mean that scene was really good in anime.These kind of changes are really good.I really dont watch that anime(skipping a lot) but i guess company who makes that anime loves and knows the series well.

                          8 parts, 8 weeks to read a book, than binge read the same book within' 2 hours again.

                          Myne: Did we deceived him?
                          Ferdinand: Indeed we did.
                          Myne: *surprised myneface

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                            Jon Mitchell Premium Member @BunnyFuFu
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                            @bunnyfufu said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:

                            works either way, but as "High Priest" and "Head Priest" are probably technically better

                            in my head the way I visualize the hierarchy of the temple:

                            High Bishop: If this were a catholic parish, he'd be the pastor
                            High Priest (Ferdinand) : the highest ranking parochial vicar (Most senior 'regular' priest)
                            "Blue Robes": Deacons
                            "Grey Robes": Monk (lay brothers) / Nun
                            servants without robes: members of the lay ministry

                            it's easy in my mind to keep the 'routes' separate in my mind if I think the Nobles/Commoner dichotomy parallels some old fashioned hierarchies in Roman Catholicism (prior to the 1960's)

                            a monk (lay brother) generally does not 'graduate' into becoming a priest, a nun can't become a priest- this is similar to the role 'grey robes' have in Bookworm

                            Deacons (if male/ unmarried and take a vow of celibacy can be ordained into the priesthood) similar to the role a 'regular' blue robe has

                            Myne would be an acolyte (deacon in training, or a student training to become a priest) or a postulant, an entrant to a monastic order who has not yet taken vows

                            I read banned books

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                              Paul Nebeling Premium Member @hopebestman
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                              @hopebestman That would indicate they got it (his visual) right. Once we figure out his game, we aren't supposed to like him. Kudos to the animation team for managing to convey Myne's changing attitude without resorting to something like a voiceover commentary. Her voice while she was powered up was creepy as anything too.

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                              • Libri LiberorumL
                                Libri Liberorum Premium Member
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                                Scary Myne is scary. Let's hope she isn't needed again.

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                                • Libri LiberorumL
                                  Libri Liberorum Premium Member @BunnyFuFu
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                                  @bunnyfufu said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:

                                  It works either way, but as "High Priest" and "Head Priest" are probably technically better. However as a lazy reader "High" and "Head" are to similar and I kept reading them wrong. I prefer the "High Bishop" and "High Priest".

                                  I'd like "bishop" and "head priest". It better describes what HP does and makes it clear which is the overall boss.

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                                  • hirotoH
                                    hiroto @Libri Liberorum
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                                    @libri-liberorum said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:

                                    Scary Myne is scary. Let's hope she isn't needed again.

                                    Yeah, seriously. They went overboard with the voice effect.

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                                    • QuofQ
                                      Quof Translators @Paul Nebeling
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                                      @paul-nebeling They're "Head Priest" for High Priest and "Head of Temple/Temple Head" for High Bishop respectively. 神官長 / 神殿長. The moment the anime started I knew these terms would end up different in the anime since I took such big leaps with the phrasing. Their names are fairly similar (Shinkan-chou and Shinden-chou) so I went with giving them both "High X". How to translate "Temple Head" was a question I spent far too long debating. I couldn't think of a single way to keep "Temple" in it and maintain a dignified, concise title that sounded like it could realistically be a position. After some discussion I ultimately rolled with High Bishop, since indeed the Temple Head is a higher position than the Head Priest, and I think that bishops are universally understood to be a higher position than priests. The High Bishop doesn't fulfill the same role a real-life bishop does, but I figure that's fine since names are used loosely as inspiration in this kind of way often.

                                      The, uh, the High Bishop being called the High Priest isn't great. I could understand them doing something like "Temple Head" and abandoning High Bishop, which would be totally fine as a different interpretation, but High Priest for "Temple Head" definitely gives off the wrong impression I think. The two terms are definitely a bit too easy to confuse, too.

                                      I'm actually wondering if the style guide I gave crunchyroll might have been misinterpreted (since "High X" was something I invented on my own, the terms literally are just "Head/Boss")... Oh well.

                                      Edit: Oh wow. I think it's almost 100% certain that they misread the glossary https://i.imgur.com/qkLtDxp.jpg . I was trying to say "High Priest (don't use Head Priest)" but I think it was interpreted as "High Priest (this is not the head priest! it's the other guy!)". Darn. If only I could just talk to the translator.

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                                        BunnyFuFu Premium Member @Paul Nebeling
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                                        @paul-nebeling
                                        That was new material.

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                                        • Paul NebelingP
                                          Paul Nebeling Premium Member @BunnyFuFu
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                                          @bunnyfufu I'm not sure it was new material as much as an artistic interpretation in a different media. As @hopebestman said, that scene was described in volume 3, but Myne's observation was internalized dialog which was not put into the anime. They did it (quite well) with her facial expressions.

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                                            BunnyFuFu Premium Member @Paul Nebeling
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                                            @paul-nebeling
                                            Ah, meant to reply to @hopebestman message about Tulli and Effa heart-to-heart before the meeting with the church. That was new.

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