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It works either way, but as "High Priest" and "Head Priest" are probably technically better. However as a lazy reader "High" and "Head" are to similar and I kept reading them wrong. I prefer the "High Bishop" and "High Priest".
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I dont remember in LN conversation with Tulli and Effa about possible execution.I mean that scene was really good in anime.These kind of changes are really good.I really dont watch that anime(skipping a lot) but i guess company who makes that anime loves and knows the series well.
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@bunnyfufu said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
works either way, but as "High Priest" and "Head Priest" are probably technically better
in my head the way I visualize the hierarchy of the temple:
High Bishop: If this were a catholic parish, he'd be the pastor
High Priest (Ferdinand) : the highest ranking parochial vicar (Most senior 'regular' priest)
"Blue Robes": Deacons
"Grey Robes": Monk (lay brothers) / Nun
servants without robes: members of the lay ministryit's easy in my mind to keep the 'routes' separate in my mind if I think the Nobles/Commoner dichotomy parallels some old fashioned hierarchies in Roman Catholicism (prior to the 1960's)
a monk (lay brother) generally does not 'graduate' into becoming a priest, a nun can't become a priest- this is similar to the role 'grey robes' have in Bookworm
Deacons (if male/ unmarried and take a vow of celibacy can be ordained into the priesthood) similar to the role a 'regular' blue robe has
Myne would be an acolyte (deacon in training, or a student training to become a priest) or a postulant, an entrant to a monastic order who has not yet taken vows
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@hopebestman That would indicate they got it (his visual) right. Once we figure out his game, we aren't supposed to like him. Kudos to the animation team for managing to convey Myne's changing attitude without resorting to something like a voiceover commentary. Her voice while she was powered up was creepy as anything too.
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Scary Myne is scary. Let's hope she isn't needed again.
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@bunnyfufu said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
It works either way, but as "High Priest" and "Head Priest" are probably technically better. However as a lazy reader "High" and "Head" are to similar and I kept reading them wrong. I prefer the "High Bishop" and "High Priest".
I'd like "bishop" and "head priest". It better describes what HP does and makes it clear which is the overall boss.
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@libri-liberorum said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
Scary Myne is scary. Let's hope she isn't needed again.
Yeah, seriously. They went overboard with the voice effect.
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@paul-nebeling They're "Head Priest" for High Priest and "Head of Temple/Temple Head" for High Bishop respectively. 神官長 / 神殿長. The moment the anime started I knew these terms would end up different in the anime since I took such big leaps with the phrasing. Their names are fairly similar (Shinkan-chou and Shinden-chou) so I went with giving them both "High X". How to translate "Temple Head" was a question I spent far too long debating. I couldn't think of a single way to keep "Temple" in it and maintain a dignified, concise title that sounded like it could realistically be a position. After some discussion I ultimately rolled with High Bishop, since indeed the Temple Head is a higher position than the Head Priest, and I think that bishops are universally understood to be a higher position than priests. The High Bishop doesn't fulfill the same role a real-life bishop does, but I figure that's fine since names are used loosely as inspiration in this kind of way often.
The, uh, the High Bishop being called the High Priest isn't great. I could understand them doing something like "Temple Head" and abandoning High Bishop, which would be totally fine as a different interpretation, but High Priest for "Temple Head" definitely gives off the wrong impression I think. The two terms are definitely a bit too easy to confuse, too.
I'm actually wondering if the style guide I gave crunchyroll might have been misinterpreted (since "High X" was something I invented on my own, the terms literally are just "Head/Boss")... Oh well.
Edit: Oh wow. I think it's almost 100% certain that they misread the glossary https://i.imgur.com/qkLtDxp.jpg . I was trying to say "High Priest (don't use Head Priest)" but I think it was interpreted as "High Priest (this is not the head priest! it's the other guy!)". Darn. If only I could just talk to the translator.
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@bunnyfufu I'm not sure it was new material as much as an artistic interpretation in a different media. As @hopebestman said, that scene was described in volume 3, but Myne's observation was internalized dialog which was not put into the anime. They did it (quite well) with her facial expressions.
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Now it's time to start waiting....
Did a bit of searching and found out that there's 2 OVAs scheduled.See this for details
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@jcochran said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
Now it's time to start waiting....
Did a bit of searching and found out that there's 2 OVAs scheduled.See this for details
They did a weird thing with this OVA. Why creates OVAs which will spoil the future season, such that you are only distributing it as part of Part 5 print book purchase (presumably, people already read Part 3 so won't get spoiled)? Pretty weird.
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Overall it was mostly acceptable, though I am not a fan of the rushed, cut or reshuffled scenes near the end... I feel it lost the slow-burn "Slice Of Life" feel too much.
No question the LN is FAR superior. It seems very few anime adaptations of even highly popular source LN's get the respectful treatments they deserve. At least it was MUCH more faithful than Arifureta.
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@hiroto Can't really call it a spoiler. One of the OVA's is a side story in P1V3, so it obviously doesn't spoil anything and the other OVA which is also a side story in P3V2 portrays an obvious activity that has to happen between P1V3 and P2V1 and in fact is referenced in the first conversation Ferdinand has with Myne in the beginning of P2V1. The only potential "spoiler" would be the possible introduction of characters that aren't introduced into the main story line until later. I haven't seen the side story, but given the volume it's placed in I suspect that some Japanese fans basically asked "We see that Ferdinand did X. Can you please tell us more about X?" and the author figured there was enough demand for it and decided that it was worth doing as a side story framed as a flash back.
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@jcochran said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
. The only potential "spoiler" would be the possible introduction of characters that aren't introduced into the main story line until later.
It is hugely spoiling. The story only make sense after learning about all those new characters we don't know yet. This story is written as a flash back after having that knowledge. Flash back taken out of the order is that you'll exposed to emotion of people without knowing those people and relationships. It is a very nice side story in that context so I like LN readers to enjoy it at the right moment.
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@hiroto said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
@jcochran said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
. The only potential "spoiler" would be the possible introduction of characters that aren't introduced into the main story line until later.
It is hugely spoiling. The story only make sense after learning about all those new characters we don't know yet. This story is written as a flash back after having that knowledge. Flash back taken out of the order is that you'll exposed to emotion of people without knowing those people and relationships. It is a very nice side story in that context so I like LN readers to enjoy it at the right moment.
Well, the makers of the anime do have a precedent, given their introduction of Ferdinand in the first episode of the anime. With that data point, I gonna make an wild ass assumption that whatever characters the OVA introduces are wildly popular in Japan.
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So... The part where Myne uses the crushing on the Head Bishop was totally awesome! Better than what I was expecting. Very Dark Vader esque. Great end to the first ark of the story!
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@lighthawk96 said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
So... The part where Myne uses the crushing on the Head Bishop was totally awesome! Better than what I was expecting. Very Dark Vader esque. Great end to the first ark of the story!
i didnt feel that much in LN.I mean sure even in there it was intense but man , seeing her like that.She only needed James Earl Jones voice.
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@hopebestman Exactly!!!!! But the way they did her voice really did do the scene justice!
