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@hiroto said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
But I found it interesting that there was a very specific foreshadowing added in this episode which was not in LN and refer to something deep into Part 3. I hope that is an indication that script writers were working with assumption of continuting the anime.
I don't know specifically what you are referring to, but I do notice little details that aren't specified in the LN. For example, Ferdinand gently tapping the head of the messenger bird and it responding, and also him stroking the mane of his highbeast. The LN gives zero indication of these beasts of burden being sentient. I'm guessing that is the sort of detail only someone familiar with the future of the story could include.
I'm curious how the next part will go and how it will be parsed out. I'm the LN Myne says very little externally, but a lot internally. Getting mad just thinking about it.
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The author posted some pictures of the BD box-set on twitter: https://twitter.com/miyakazuki01/status/1270920480489271296
It was kinda obvious at this point but the title of the final episode is「夢の世界」which was the title of the Part 2 Volume 2 Epilogue in the WN (well in the WN it was a two parter). -
Okay, hearing Karstedt say Shikza's name in Japanese out loud made me curious since it sounds quite different to how it was translated in the LN.
"Shikikoza" ...Is this guy's name just "unimportant knight" backwards? 雑魚騎士 (zako kishi) -
@Vorthod
https://forums.j-novel.club/topic/2687/bookworm-part-2-vol-2-discussion/394Shikza's name is actually a joke in Japanese: It's Shikikoza and backwards it means "Small-Fry Knight" (zako kishi). I thought up some localizations of this (variations of "rando" mostly), but Miya Kazuki asked me to try and make a name that resembles the Japanese pronunciation (due to the anime adaptation). However, I thought that Shikikoza exactly would stick out like a sore thumb in English and be a mouthful to pronounce, so I went with Shikza.
Also with regard to all the mentions of Germanic influence/sounding "foreign" in the Bookworm world/etc... How many times am I gonna have to bring up Shikikooza? That was a character name that Miya Kazuki elected to give a Bookworm character. Zako Kishi (Small-Fry Knight) backwards. It was the best I could do to alter the spelling into Shikza (with her permission of course) to not make it so blatantly Japanese. Honestly sometimes I wonder if my smoothing over of these kinds of things (which would stick out more in English otherwise) isn't giving people a misguided understanding of how strict Miya Kazuki is with her worldbuilding terminology.
https://forums.j-novel.club/topic/2687/bookworm-part-2-vol-2-discussion/1037
Yeah, the name is just an actual meme/pun in Japanese, and spelling it like Shikikoza / Shicicoza /whatever would have made his name stick out enormously. Like you've got a ton of German and Swedish names then suddenly there's this Japanese as fuck name out of nowhere. Totally not worth preserving, especially when the intended joke (Shikikoza being Zakokishi backwards) is completely incomprehensible to English readers. There's a few more names that are just Japanese with their letters mixed around for memes, and I imagine that I will give all of them a similar treatment. Because, it's like, in Japanese each consonant is attached to a vowel (except "n"). When all the names are written like this (Damueru, Ferudinando, etc) it doesn't stick out, all the names are like it. But in English when you go from "Gunther" to like "Korasereru" the feel is completely off. Bookworm;s world is made in the style of ye olde European world and I have to really work double time to preserve this feel in English even when the author is able to use quirks of the Japanese language to fit in jokes and stuff that would really hurt the atmosphere if preserved literally in English.
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@LurkingMcLurk Thanks. Just what I wanted to confirm. It had sounded like there might have been a long O in his name so I couldn't be sure.
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@Vorthod said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
@LurkingMcLurk Thanks. Just what I wanted to confirm. It had sounded like there might have been a long O in his name so I couldn't be sure.
nope, as @Quof said (multiple times in multiple posts, it was important to keep the context, as well as respect the naming convention Kazuki-Sama told him to keep, so Shizka (Or the artist formerly known as Shikikoza) was his new name... for all of the 10 minutes he appeared)
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@Vorthod said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
@LurkingMcLurk Thanks. Just what I wanted to confirm. It had sounded like there might have been a long O in his name so I couldn't be sure.
Good ear. It is "za-ko-ki-shi", reversed, "shi-ki-ko-za", and then extra long O was added to make it sound more like a name (well, at least to Japanese ears): shi-ki-koo-za.
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Wow, that episode flew by so fast. The "to be continued..." slide popped up at the end and I'm like "already?"
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Is it just me, or did the pacing in this episode feel a bit off? When I read the book, this whole part seemed to be a bit more frantic, whereas in the anime, it seemed like everybody was taking their sweet time to do anything. I guess my impression in the book was that after Myne's blood activated the tromb that everyone was hurrying to take care of the new threat, and in the anime it seemed like everybody didn't seem to have any sense of urgency. Like nobody cared that the tromb was squeezing her to death.
It definitely threw me for a loop and somewhat disappointed me, as I had been looking forward to this episode.
I was also under the impression that the cut she had received was much deeper and bleeding more in the book. She barely seemed to get a scratch here.
"Hubris is a slow and insidious killer, Aub Ehrenfest."
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@OSRizzo Yes, I feel the same ... I was so waiting for this to be animated, and I kind of got disappointed by the end, it was more of a leisure ride than what I felt, reading the part.
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Next week is the last episode.
I think the slow pacing in this episode was trying to pace it so that they can have almost the entirety of the next episode for
There's also the rest of the trombe extermination mission, which will be amazing, but won't take very long at the beginning of the episode (they're almost finished, but the next part is the most amazing)
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I was looking forward to seeing Ferdinand furious for more than a few seconds, but I guess the whole violence side was toned down a lot. Visually, the next part should be stunning given how the magic aspect so far has been given priority. I just hope the next season will happen in under a year.
Myne ended up taking Arno's line. “Fran!” yelled Arno as Fran speedily got up and tried to rescue me. “You must not move! Your master is being punished for you acting out of place. You must not make things even worse.”.😡
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@OSRizzo said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
When I read the book, this whole part seemed to be a bit more frantic, whereas in the anime, it seemed like everybody was taking their sweet time to do anything.
Yes, I came here to say the same thing. Myne is suffocating, and everyone is just standing around expositing. They needed to borrow someone from a shonen battle anime to direct this episode. While they are at it, they should get whoever is animating Myne's facial expressions to do some work on Ferdinand.
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@Justaidan said in Bookworm Part 3 Vol. 1 Discussion!:
@Shiny said in Bookworm Part 3 Vol. 1 Discussion!:
Good list. She also seems to have the power to communicate great distances (when she called out to Lutz during the Trimble extermination) which might or might not be an unprecedented ability.
Notably she also did this without using a magic chant or calling on the gods' assistance.
[hehe, "Trimble" :D]
The anime just got to this episode, and the anime portrayed it as being enacted by the ring she was wearing, and visualized it as a kind of mana beam that went into town to find him. But indeed, she cast it without a prayer or chant.
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@pcj OTOH I took a peek at it and I noticed that Arno disappeared and Shizka got his lines, so take what the anime does with a grain of salt.
(Only a peek because I can't stand anime, especially adaptations... my crunchyroll subscription is for the manga)
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@Gamen @pcj I'm with Garmen in that I don't want to read to much into what the anime does when dissecting the LN.
There are too many bits omitted or misrepresented in the anime. In fairness Bookworm is extremely content dense, subtle and detailed so it is hard to adapt.
If the anime manages to get more people reading the LN then it has done its job.
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Yeah, this episode (from what I've heard anyway) and the ones about the orphanage, are kind of a reminder of how censored TV needs to be, and how Bookworm is actually a darker series than it first appears. The anime and a lot of the marketing seems to want to portray it as a family friendly kids thing when the actual novels are a lot more mature and heavy. In a way I wonder if the anime is stopping at the end of P2V2 just because shit gets way too real after that point to keep pretending it's family friendly. Or well, they could always keep censoring/toning things down, but yeah.
If the anime keeps going far into the series I'll be very interested in seeing how many of the harsher details get cut.
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@Justaidan said in Bookworm Part 3 Vol. 1 Discussion!:
If the anime manages to get more people reading the LN then it has done its job.
Sure damn worked for me.
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@Justaidan said in Bookworm Part 3 Vol. 1 Discussion!:
@Gamen @pcj I'm with Garmen in that I don't want to read to much into what the anime does when dissecting the LN.
There are too many bits omitted or misrepresented in the anime. In fairness Bookworm is extremely content dense, subtle and detailed so it is hard to adapt.
If the anime manages to get more people reading the LN then it has done its job.
Can tell you it worked on me and I'm someone who doesn't normally take the time to read due to the many issues I have...
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@Quof said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
In a way I wonder if the anime is stopping at the end of P2V2 just because shit gets way too real after that point to keep pretending it's family friendly.
I genuinely thought with everything they were cutting they were going to end at the end of the Blue Shrine Maiden arc especially with the Head Bishop being featured in the opening and the really bittersweet moments of Myne dancing with her family and friends. They'd need another 12 episode season to reach that point though I guess with everything that happens.
They definitely could cut a lot of the more heavier moments though, I saw on Reddit someone was calling this basically a workplace series with Ferd as the Boss and Myne as the new hire they could definitely squeeze the story that route especially if it's not going to go to the end. With their budget and animation limitations (serious side mouth obsession) I can't see them doing the series long term.
