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@Vorthod said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
@LurkingMcLurk Thanks. Just what I wanted to confirm. It had sounded like there might have been a long O in his name so I couldn't be sure.
nope, as @Quof said (multiple times in multiple posts, it was important to keep the context, as well as respect the naming convention Kazuki-Sama told him to keep, so Shizka (Or the artist formerly known as Shikikoza) was his new name... for all of the 10 minutes he appeared)
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@Vorthod said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
@LurkingMcLurk Thanks. Just what I wanted to confirm. It had sounded like there might have been a long O in his name so I couldn't be sure.
Good ear. It is "za-ko-ki-shi", reversed, "shi-ki-ko-za", and then extra long O was added to make it sound more like a name (well, at least to Japanese ears): shi-ki-koo-za.
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Wow, that episode flew by so fast. The "to be continued..." slide popped up at the end and I'm like "already?"
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Is it just me, or did the pacing in this episode feel a bit off? When I read the book, this whole part seemed to be a bit more frantic, whereas in the anime, it seemed like everybody was taking their sweet time to do anything. I guess my impression in the book was that after Myne's blood activated the tromb that everyone was hurrying to take care of the new threat, and in the anime it seemed like everybody didn't seem to have any sense of urgency. Like nobody cared that the tromb was squeezing her to death.
It definitely threw me for a loop and somewhat disappointed me, as I had been looking forward to this episode.
I was also under the impression that the cut she had received was much deeper and bleeding more in the book. She barely seemed to get a scratch here.
"Hubris is a slow and insidious killer, Aub Ehrenfest."
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@OSRizzo Yes, I feel the same ... I was so waiting for this to be animated, and I kind of got disappointed by the end, it was more of a leisure ride than what I felt, reading the part.
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Next week is the last episode.
I think the slow pacing in this episode was trying to pace it so that they can have almost the entirety of the next episode for
There's also the rest of the trombe extermination mission, which will be amazing, but won't take very long at the beginning of the episode (they're almost finished, but the next part is the most amazing)
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I was looking forward to seeing Ferdinand furious for more than a few seconds, but I guess the whole violence side was toned down a lot. Visually, the next part should be stunning given how the magic aspect so far has been given priority. I just hope the next season will happen in under a year.
Myne ended up taking Arno's line. “Fran!” yelled Arno as Fran speedily got up and tried to rescue me. “You must not move! Your master is being punished for you acting out of place. You must not make things even worse.”.😡
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@OSRizzo said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
When I read the book, this whole part seemed to be a bit more frantic, whereas in the anime, it seemed like everybody was taking their sweet time to do anything.
Yes, I came here to say the same thing. Myne is suffocating, and everyone is just standing around expositing. They needed to borrow someone from a shonen battle anime to direct this episode. While they are at it, they should get whoever is animating Myne's facial expressions to do some work on Ferdinand.
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@Justaidan said in Bookworm Part 3 Vol. 1 Discussion!:
@Shiny said in Bookworm Part 3 Vol. 1 Discussion!:
Good list. She also seems to have the power to communicate great distances (when she called out to Lutz during the Trimble extermination) which might or might not be an unprecedented ability.
Notably she also did this without using a magic chant or calling on the gods' assistance.
[hehe, "Trimble" :D]
The anime just got to this episode, and the anime portrayed it as being enacted by the ring she was wearing, and visualized it as a kind of mana beam that went into town to find him. But indeed, she cast it without a prayer or chant.
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@pcj OTOH I took a peek at it and I noticed that Arno disappeared and Shizka got his lines, so take what the anime does with a grain of salt.
(Only a peek because I can't stand anime, especially adaptations... my crunchyroll subscription is for the manga)
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@Gamen @pcj I'm with Garmen in that I don't want to read to much into what the anime does when dissecting the LN.
There are too many bits omitted or misrepresented in the anime. In fairness Bookworm is extremely content dense, subtle and detailed so it is hard to adapt.
If the anime manages to get more people reading the LN then it has done its job.
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Yeah, this episode (from what I've heard anyway) and the ones about the orphanage, are kind of a reminder of how censored TV needs to be, and how Bookworm is actually a darker series than it first appears. The anime and a lot of the marketing seems to want to portray it as a family friendly kids thing when the actual novels are a lot more mature and heavy. In a way I wonder if the anime is stopping at the end of P2V2 just because shit gets way too real after that point to keep pretending it's family friendly. Or well, they could always keep censoring/toning things down, but yeah.
If the anime keeps going far into the series I'll be very interested in seeing how many of the harsher details get cut.
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@Justaidan said in Bookworm Part 3 Vol. 1 Discussion!:
If the anime manages to get more people reading the LN then it has done its job.
Sure damn worked for me.
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@Justaidan said in Bookworm Part 3 Vol. 1 Discussion!:
@Gamen @pcj I'm with Garmen in that I don't want to read to much into what the anime does when dissecting the LN.
There are too many bits omitted or misrepresented in the anime. In fairness Bookworm is extremely content dense, subtle and detailed so it is hard to adapt.
If the anime manages to get more people reading the LN then it has done its job.
Can tell you it worked on me and I'm someone who doesn't normally take the time to read due to the many issues I have...
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@Quof said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
In a way I wonder if the anime is stopping at the end of P2V2 just because shit gets way too real after that point to keep pretending it's family friendly.
I genuinely thought with everything they were cutting they were going to end at the end of the Blue Shrine Maiden arc especially with the Head Bishop being featured in the opening and the really bittersweet moments of Myne dancing with her family and friends. They'd need another 12 episode season to reach that point though I guess with everything that happens.
They definitely could cut a lot of the more heavier moments though, I saw on Reddit someone was calling this basically a workplace series with Ferd as the Boss and Myne as the new hire they could definitely squeeze the story that route especially if it's not going to go to the end. With their budget and animation limitations (serious side mouth obsession) I can't see them doing the series long term. -
@Quof I'm not in this case complaining about lightening the darker aspects of the series. I'm complaining that this episode should have been heart stopping action (not only allowed but common in kid-oriented shows) but was instead people pausing their action scenes to stand around talking. It's OK to ask "what happened here?" so long as you are simultaneously doing martial arts and using far! Too! Many! Exclamation! Marks!
Also, Myne didn't bleed enough to justify that the trombe was still getting mana from her (someone else already commented) and when she got cut it looked very contrived.
I'm rewatching the scenes now and making notes as I go.
Shikza (Schicicoza in the anime) should have been waving the knife over her head instead of standing still with the knife in front of him which Myne somehow contrived to poke her hand into. Then Myne stands around as the trombe sprouts underneath her instead of trying to jump away. (If they'd made the trombe's grab her in the first half second instead of in about 3 seconds (10:25 to 10:28) it would work much better.)
Myne says "I can't breathe" at 10:59, after which she has a discussion with Ferdinand.
Ferdinand jumps off his highbeast at 11:51 and takes no action until 12:24. Included in this time is such vital communication as Ferdinand saying "I don't believe this. You were supposed to guard her you imbiciles.", gets reply "We're terribly sorry", then continues "There is no point fighting them off if the wound remains open." Even after he heals Myne he wastes more time discussing the nature of the healing he did, and the rules around blessing weapons. Then more discussion after Karstedt arrives, and the trombe is finally attacked at 13:41, about 2:40 after Myne complains of being unable to breathe. Note that a plant that grows from nothing to strangling its victim in 30 seconds gets another 2:40 of growth before anyone successfully acts against it.
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@Quof @CamChar @LIbri-Liberorum
Bookworm does a lot of world building, foreshadowing and character development in the LN that can't make it into the anime and the anime is removing the darker elements. I don't see how these issues won't compound upon themselves in the quality of the adaptation if the anime were to continue for a third season and may even lead to a severe mood whiplash for viewers if the anime tried to move closer to the LN.
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@LIbri-Liberorum That's actually what I mean. This scene being more intense and frantic would maybe even scare kids.
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@pcj said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
@Justaidan said in Bookworm Part 3 Vol. 1 Discussion!:
@Shiny said in Bookworm Part 3 Vol. 1 Discussion!:
Good list. She also seems to have the power to communicate great distances (when she called out to Lutz during the Trimble extermination) which might or might not be an unprecedented ability.
Notably she also did this without using a magic chant or calling on the gods' assistance.
[hehe, "Trimble" :D]
The anime just got to this episode, and the anime portrayed it as being enacted by the ring she was wearing, and visualized it as a kind of mana beam that went into town to find him. But indeed, she cast it without a prayer or chant.
I think the anime got that part right, actually. Even when I read it in the LN I figured the beam went out from the ring since (1) the beam was blue, just like the feystone in her ring, and (2) it has been stated multiple times that magic tools are needed to work magic.
Magic without invoking the gods is pretty common for minor things (like “rott”, “ordonnanz”, and changing a wand it into a weapon), and in some cases without any incantation at all (like when summoning a wand or a highbeast, or for some activities in P2V4 that only required gestures but which I can’t describe without spoilering anime-only fans). But magic without magic tools just isn’t a thing.
Myne has done some things that most people consider impossible in practice, but not anything impossible in principle. Not so far, at least. She hasn’t broken her world’s laws of “physics.” So I think the anime was right to have the blue beam shoot out of her ring.
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It all happened right after I cried for help as loud as I could with my hands in the air to try to stop the bleeding. A beam of blue light shot high into the sky, and then immediately black somethings rained down around me as I heard the sound of flapping wings.
No mention, but coming from the ring would mke the most sense.
There is only one form of magic we have seen done without tools: crushing.
