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@Paul-Nebeling said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
@xdrfiredogx Not sure if it's a fib. Although not yet revealed in the anime timeline,
Ferdinand is aware that Myne has a stupid amount of mana. The conversation about that, and the getting of permission to give Myne blue robes would probably have come under the "Give her whatever she wants, just get her in the temple because we need her mana." type of approval.Only problem with that theory is the events that actually occurred:
- Myne get baptised, has minor incident, discovers small library and asks to join temple.
- Gunther blows up. Myne goes to temple to retract offer to join. Temple discovers she has the devouring. Sends "invitation" to parents.
- Strategy meeting with Benno. Summary given to parents. Go to temple. Crush Bishop. Negotiate with priest. All terms accepted.
Now, at what time did anything involving the archduke happen? Issuing Myne blue robes was never under consideration until the negotiation in #3 above.
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@jcochran said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
Now, at what time did anything involving the archduke happen? Issuing Myne blue robes was never under consideration until the negotiation in #3 above.
Actually, it was. This scene didn't make it into the anime, but in the beginning of P2V1, Ferdinand tells the High Bishop (or High Priest in anime-translation) that Myne would be receiving blue robes "as they discussed before."
It seems like the bishop might have been totally happy to give her blue robes if she were a wealthy commoner - I'd guess that it's because the alternative, having a gray shrine maiden (/ priestess in the anime) offer up mana, also had no precedent.
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@rsog412 problem is that giving blue robes to Myne was agreed to in P1V3. And at that time no one knew Myne had a crazy amount of mana, so there was no reason to get archduke involved. Now I agree that it's possible that the archduke was informed about the decision sometime between P1V3 and P2V1, but he didn't participate in the decision since it had already been made.
Morning and Mourning sound alike for good and sufficient reasons.
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@jcochran said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
@rsog412 problem is that giving blue robes to Myne was agreed to in P1V3. And at that time no one knew Myne had a crazy amount of mana, so there was no reason to get archduke involved. Now I agree that it's possible that the archduke was informed about the decision sometime between P1V3 and P2V1, but he didn't participate in the decision since it had already been made.
Admin edit: Please don't spoil stuff that hasn't happened/been revealed in the anime yet.
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@db0ssman the decision to grant Myne blue robes was made in P1V3 and the interactions between Ferdinand, the HB, and Myne are such that consulting with the archduke was impossible (problem raised, solution proposed during same face to face meeting. No external consultation possible). Now as I said, the archduke could have been informed about the decision sometime between P1V3 and P2V1, but at best the archduke's involvement can be that he didn't veto the decision that was already made.
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@jcochran said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
@rsog412 problem is that giving blue robes to Myne was agreed to in P1V3. And at that time no one knew Myne had a crazy amount of mana, so there was no reason to get archduke involved. Now I agree that it's possible that the archduke was informed about the decision sometime between P1V3 and P2V1, but he didn't participate in the decision since it had already been made.
Here's the exact quote from P2V1's prologue, which takes place immediately after P1V3 ends.
βAs discussed prior, I prepared a pair of blue robes for her. Likewise, as discussed prior, she will maintain magic tools and be given work in the book room which she so desired to enter.β Ferdinand repeatedly emphasized that the terms were all what they had discussed prior to the incident. Perhaps due to his age, the High Bishop had a tendency to conveniently forget what he himself had said.
(To avoid confusion with "High Priest/Head Priest" and "High Bishop/High Priest", I'm going to call them by their names, though Brazenwest's name could still be considered a minor spoiler from the anime. The Archduke will just be called the Archduke, because his name would be a major spoiler still.)
It sounds to me like Ferdinand and the Brazenwest already understood that Myne had mana (and money) that they needed before that point, and Brazenwest had already agreed to take her as a blue robed shrine maiden.
While Myne went into the discussions assuming that getting them to accept her as a blue shrine maiden was going to be a tough sell, the Ferdinand and Brazenwest had already discussed internally and decided that it was acceptable. This doesn't prove that the Archduke was involved in those discussions, but it seems likely to me that they would have needed his approval to break from precedent and give a commoner blue robes. (Allowing her to commute from home, by contrast, wasn't something they considered, so Ferdinand had to justify himself to Brazenwest for accepting that condition.)
It's not immediately clear to me why the Archduke (or, for that matter, Brazenwest) agreed to it, since yes, they didn't know at that point just how much mana she had, nor did they know about her otherworld knowledge at the time. It's possible that Ferdinand recognized her intelligence from the short time he spent reading with her, and wanted to bring her up as a political ally. It's also possible that the church was just so short of mana that they'd resort to desperate measures for any amount more.
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Ok. This is going in a spoiler tag, because from the anime POV, it's a spoiler. From the LN POV, it's speculation.
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@Paul-Nebeling I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of their usual plots. If you remember they are some plots they've pulled off while pretending to be completely ignorant of what's going one. It could happen, her joining the temple might have been one of their plots.
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@Caroline I don't know if I would go that far. After all, Myne hadn't even considered joining the Temple until after she saw the book room.
Then again, they are brothers...
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@Paul-Nebeling In the anime; specifically the baptism arc, after they take a blood, there is a part where Ferdinand looks at her suspiciously and before that she had already produced plant paper an important commodity like that wouldn't fail to catch the eye of a Noble but it's all speculation so I don't know. You could call it one of my theories.
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@Caroline In P3V1 part 2 it explains why he looked at her suspiciously during that time.
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In the last chapter of P1V3 (post-Crushing of the High Bishop) Ferdinand says "I will prepare blue robes for her. Her primary job will be the upkeep of magic tools, just like our noble apprentices. That was what we initially had intended to do had the High Bishop not lost his mind, after all."
I guess this is a bit ambiguous, because he says "that" was what they intended; it could mean [upkeep of tools] only, or [preparing blue robes, with upkeep of tools]. My original interpretation was that they had gotten permission for blue robes in the first place, which was why he was so agreeable to it, but I could be incorrect.
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So, there is this bookworm anime streaming event in Japan where there are interview of the casts, and then Kazuki-sensei also participating as a guest. She just tweeted an additional information:
https://twitter.com/miyakazuki01/status/1281418272366137344
For Niconico live streaming special event on Sunday, I freshly wrote a mini-dialogue between Myne and Ferdinand.
Which is kind of like an anime preview trailer.
It will be presented by Iguchi-san and Hayami-san. Enjoy!Season 3 announcement???
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Now, the bookworm anime official tweet says "Big announcement coming." οΌγγγ«ι倧ηΊθ‘¨γοΌ
https://twitter.com/anime_booklove/status/1282117474171813888
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@LurkingMcLurk said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
Third Cour
https://twitter.com/anime_booklove/status/1282271086294388741Only thing it is confirming is that production will happen. No date or anything. I don't think it is happening this fall.
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@hiroto said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
Only thing it is confirming is that production will happen. No date or anything. I don't think it is happening this fall.
At least it is happening \o/
I'm super happy as long as it's happening, even if I have to wait till spring or winter.
Edit: there are a few scenes I'd like to see animated. π -
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@Paul-Nebeling exactly! - and a few more π
