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@Axehand said in Bookworm Part 4 Vol. 9 Discussion!:
@AliceCheshire Converting from one media to another will always involve compromise. Sure, detail will be missed when going from a book to a video but I was OK with that.
Most important thing is not to be a Christopher Tolkien. A person who whines about every little difference from the source material while simultaneously producing ghastly, dreary fanfic.
I didn't have too many problems with the first two seasons. Though some of the things they glossed over in season 2 (such as the Italian restaurant barely even getting a passing mention and the future Gutenbergs barely getting any screentime) were a bit baffling and them whitewashing some of the darker parts of the story were questionable, it was still tolerable. Season 3 was just a total shit show though. To the point where I'm actually dreading how bad season 4 will be since it should conclude with the Hasse incident and with how badly they've whitewashed the darker parts of the story they've basically painted themselves into a corner when adapting it. Either they'll refrain from whitewashing it and there'll be a massive tonal whiplash or they'll whitewash it and it won't have anywhere near the impact it's supposed to.
Anyways, my point is I'm not simply whining about them missing some details or anything like that. It's specific choices they made that I'm criticizing that were significantly more egregious in season 3 in particular.
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@AliceCheshire Well, to be honest, the Italian Restaurant is little more than a few paragraphs until part 3 of the written story. It got a couple of mentions in the anime - mostly Benno whinging about how little attention was being paid to the venture - but that fits.
Darker parts of the story - that's a harder thing to say. But they have to choose an audience. My primary grouse about season 3 is that they omitted the epilogue where Ferdinand/Sylvester talk and make it clear that the whole scenario with Bindewald and Bezewanst was engineered to force Rozemyne into adoption. But that could come as an additional chapter, much as was added to season 2 of the anime.
On the whole, I would rather have the anime than not. Especially since I started there and came to the written version. On that point alone, I have to love it.
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@Axehand said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
@AliceCheshire Well, to be honest, the Italian Restaurant is little more than a few paragraphs until part 3 of the written story. It got a couple of mentions in the anime - mostly Benno whinging about how little attention was being paid to the venture - but that fits.
Darker parts of the story - that's a harder thing to say. But they have to choose an audience. My primary grouse about season 3 is that they omitted the epilogue where Ferdinand/Sylvester talk and make it clear that the whole scenario with Bindewald and Bezewanst was engineered to force Rozemyne into adoption. But that could come as an additional chapter, much as was added to season 2 of the anime.
The issue with the Italian restaurant is that it is important though. By leaving it in the background more than it already was in the light novel, it's just going to be more confusing when it finally does get featured in season 4+.
For the darker parts, as I said they're painting themselves into a corner. The light novel only gets darker as a whole after part 2 and by whitewashing those darker parts, they're only making it more difficult to follow the source material. As I brought up: Hasse, which is likely going to be the season finale for season 4, is something that really can't be whitewashed without departing from the source material rather significantly. But due to them whitewashing all the darker parts up to now to begin with, by actually being faithful to the source material they're going to introduce a massive tonal whiplash that will only serve to net them a ton of criticism from people who were expecting the series to continue to be as lighthearted as they'd presented it previous.
Agreed on the Sylvester/Ferdinand meeting thing though. I have quite a lot of complaints about season 3 in particular and that's one that got lost in the huge amount of them. (For seasons 1 and 2, my only real complaints are what I previously mentioned, a very minute amount in comparison to my complaints about season 3.)
On the whole, I would rather have the anime than not. Especially since I started there and came to the written version. On that point alone, I have to love it.
I started there as well and I do quite enjoy the first two seasons, even with the flaws I previously mentioned about them. It's season 3 in particular that is especially egregious. I honestly can't see myself even bothering to rewatch season 3 because it rubbed me the wrong way so badly. You can like something and still criticize it. In fact it's specifically because I do like the anime and light novel so much that I'm railing on season 3 so hard. (If it were another series I'd just drop it without complaint and move on to something better.) They didn't come close to doing the latter half of part 2 justice in the slightest, and that's taking into account the fact that even good adaptations have to pick and choose what to feature.
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A lot of the stuff cut from season 3 (such as the italian restaurant stuff) was background material for things coming up in Part 3/Season 4. It would make sense to leave it out if they're not planning on ever doing season 4, because there's no reason to foreshadow things they're not going to cover.
Also, as you mentioned, the story gets a lot darker in Part 3, and the anime has obviously been trying to stay to a more family-friendly target demographic.
I think they planned to end the anime adaptation after Part 2, and mean to use it as advertisement for the novels and manga (which it's actually done a marvelous job of advertising for -- it's how I found it in season 1. :-)
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@pcj said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
...and the anime has obviously been trying to stay to a more family-friendly target demographic.
It didn't flinch over the flower offerings, in fact you could argue that the scene (albeit in silhouette, if I remember correctly) of Wilma being dragged off to a flower offering went even further than the LN because she looked really young in it.
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@pcj said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
A lot of the stuff cut from season 3 (such as the italian restaurant stuff) was background material for things coming up in Part 3/Season 4. It would make sense to leave it out if they're not planning on ever doing season 4, because there's no reason to foreshadow things they're not going to cover.
I'm a bit late to respond to this (consequence of seeing the post but then not having time to respond, oops) but the end of season 3 actually suggests they do intend to continue with a season 4. Before the credits there's something about "the story to be told has been completed" but after the credits it actually goes on to say something about the "new story" making it fairly clear that they were referring explicitly to Myne's story being completed but Rozemyne's only just getting started.
Also, as you mentioned, the story gets a lot darker in Part 3, and the anime has obviously been trying to stay to a more family-friendly target demographic.
Which is rather poor planning. Season 1 aired at the end of 2019. At that point, p4v8 had just released in Japan so they had plenty of source material to look through when deciding how to design the anime. (On a side note, it's actually kinda interesting that what Japan had when the anime was just starting is only a volume less than we currently have in English.)
I think they planned to end the anime adaptation after Part 2, and mean to use it as advertisement for the novels and manga (which it's actually done a marvelous job of advertising for -- it's how I found it in season 1. :-)
I would actually be somewhat inclined to agree if they'd ended with season 1 but it was fairly clear from the conclusion of both season 1 and 2 that they intended to continue the anime and the conclusion of season 3, as I addressed above, seems to suggest the same.
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@AliceCheshire said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
after the credits it actually goes on to say something about the "new story" making it fairly clear that they were referring explicitly to Myne's story being completed but Rozemyne's only just getting started.
That could well have meant "to be continued in the novels."
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@pcj said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
@AliceCheshire said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
after the credits it actually goes on to say something about the "new story" making it fairly clear that they were referring explicitly to Myne's story being completed but Rozemyne's only just getting started.
That could well have meant "to be continued in the novels."
I really don't think that's the case. If it were then there'd be no reason to say "and the story ends here" before the credits and "well actually, it's going to continue" afterwards. They could've just left out the bit after the credits if that were the case.
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@AliceCheshire said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
I really don't think that's the case. If it were then there'd be no reason to say "and the story ends here" before the credits and "well actually, it's going to continue" afterwards. They could've just left out the bit after the credits if that were the case.
I'm pretty sure that was more of an artistic flourish than anything. And implying there was no story afterwards would run counter to one of the goals of even making some animes, to sell the source material, so they need to show that it's not the absolute end.
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Another think to keep in mind is that both of those slides were written in English... in the original JP source anime. Japanese writers and storyboard artists don't always have the best English skills, so what they intended to put on those slides may have been translated to English incorrectly. Not necessarily, but just something to keep in mind.
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Looks like the US home video release of Season 3 was silently added to Rightstuf/Crunchyroll Store on 14 October or 15 October 2022, last 24 hours. No news article unlike first and second season combo release from Crunchyroll.
Planned release is a placeholder date in January 2023 (Region A) with a pre-order deadline of December 20 at Crunchyroll. No information yet on Region B home video release yet.
https://www.rightstufanime.com/Ascendance-of-a-Bookworm-Season-3-Blu-ray
https://store.crunchyroll.com/collections/blu-ray/products/ascendance-of-a-bookworm-season-3-blu-ray
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@Xyarn said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
Looks like the US home video release of Season 3 was silently added to Rightstuf/Crunchyroll Store on 14 October or 15 October 2022, last 24 hours. No news article unlike first and second season combo release from Crunchyroll.
Press release was sent out Friday. https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2022/10/14/crunchyroll-announces-january-2023-home-video-releases-including-obey-me-and-yu-yu-hakusho-30th-anniversary-set
Planned release is a placeholder date in January 2023 (Region A) with a pre-order deadline of December 20 at Crunchyroll. No information yet on Region B home video release yet.
All of these blurays Crunchyroll are releasing are regions A|B, meaning they’ll work in either region of the world.
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From my understanding i don't think the anine did very well. Season 2 they blazed through part 2 really quickly and didn't pace well. I don't think we are going to get a season 4. With how popular the light novels are it spurred 3 mini seasons. (a full season is 24 to 26 episodes) but from the pacing the anime viewership must have been extremely low judging how the pacing got faster and faster.
We might be out of luck for a season 4 or the studio is waiting for Miya Kazuki-sensei to end the final novel.
I will be frank season 1 was good but I was really disappointed in the adaptation of Part 2. It really didn't get the same attention and care something like Eminence in Shadow got. Eminence in Shadow's production quality was absurdly high and the pacing wasn't rushing anything.
If we do get a season 4 I want a new studio and a higher budget. Seasons 1 and 2's budget was so so but I noticed an improvement for season 3 as it was closer to Shima Yuu's art style from the light novels, but it was horrible on the pacing. But yeah season 4 with a new studio and larger budget.
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@BookManiaReader said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
a full season is 24 to 26 episodes
No, a full season is a single cour, which is often anywhere from 10-13 episodes. That is very common in the anime industry for both adaptations and originals.
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Just rewatched the anime and I thought a key moment in the light novel would’ve added to the scene on a similar level as that cathartic scene when Shikikoza was put in his place. The scene in discussion was when the bishop asked if Ferdinand had dealt with Myne. In the LN Ferdinand displayed his cunning by saying that he had put a magic tool on her and made the bishop think everything was going his way only to be put down by Ferdinand along with his smug smile.
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So Urano was isekai’d by books. According to comments in Crunchyroll, we should not be fooled for it is the encyclopedia of truck-kuns. It made me laugh so hard and wanted to share.
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Another season has been announced! And Wit Studio will be making it too!! (Stands on one leg).
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I really hope season 4 is better than season 3. The first two seasons were more or less fine but the third season was really quite awful. Hopefully a new studio means it'll be handled better this time around.
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@AliceCheshire, as long as Wit Studio doesn't turn Rozemyne into the Book Titan it'll probably be OK.
After reading something captivating, book lovers simply need to talk about it with someone.
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Wit studio producing bookworm 4?! They did Vinland Saga 1, Attack on Titan, Ranking of Kings, and Ancient Magus bride to name a few. All of those anime did their source material justice, I offer prayers to the gods! This is something to look forward to.
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