Overlord author Maruyama ends the series at 17th Volume!
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Well i am huge fan of Overlord series. I found this series as anime than i start reading LNs. In pirate way ofc. I am not a good reader so i dont want to spent my money on something i would give up in midway. I finished all 13 volume in one week and i bought all paper books when i finished.
Today i saw post on reddit says 17th volume will be the finale.
I am following his interviews on reddit etc and this guy says "i have 50 volume material but i will finish at 20 because i want to try new things." This is really good explanation and i would love to read another series from his pen. However when this side-story released, someone twitted at him and said "hey check this out , on reddit they translated your book" and the answer was "because of these stuff i will count side story another volume and i will finish the series at 17th"
This is such a crap. YesPress translated 10 volumes. We are still waiting other 3 and one side-story(this is also a real LN). So this guy still crying about this? There is a problem in our hands but i dont know who is the real culprit. FanTls or YenPress or this guy's publishers? I mean c'mon , we are living an era that i can watch tv-series from another country at the real air time. OFFICALLY!!!
There is Netflix , Spotify , Steam , Crunchyroll , and lots of other companies changed the old ways. But japanese authors really hate foreign community(not all of them ofc) and they are crying for anything. I am not saying pirating is the answer. Im a member in JNC , i love reading LN and i want to access good stuff as fast as possible. Music , movies , anime , video games... These things can be easly pirating but community still buys these products from some platforms. Idk why i am writing and bitching in here but i am waiting the JNC release time so i can read part 9 of AoaB.
If i wouldnt have the 10 volumes of that series , i really wouldnt buy his books. Crying about the hand which feeding you really irritates me.
PS:If this post inappropriate in anyway , please let me know so next time i wont do it the same mistake. Thanks.
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From what I've been keeping track of, the author just wanted an excuse to end it. Overlord is his first series hes done, its not his main job and the time between each volume is growing. My conclusion would be that hes running out of steam and just wants to end it. Honestly, I would prefer it to end early so more in that universe could happen if he decides to go back to it than for him to pump out lack luster volumes just got keep it going.
Whenever fan translation is brought up it always comes down to piracy. There's all kinds of arguments one can make for and against piracy but what it comes down to is if you want to support the product or not.
I'm also an Overlord fan that just got volume 11 in the mail as well as waiting for volume 14 to be finished fan translation. I just think the author kind of put his foot in his mouth in a few of his twitter post and they were taken very poorly by international fans. The thing that irritates me is that the Evileye side story we might not get since that was a blue ray bonus and not actually apart of the series so Yen Press might not bother translating it.
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@corp20 said in Overlord author Maruyama ends the series at 17th Volume!:
out of steam and just wants to end it. Honestly, I would prefer it to end early so more in that universe could happen if he decides to go back to it than for him to pump out lack luster volumes just got keep it going.
Whenever fan translation is brought up it always comes down to piracy. There's all kinds of arguments one can make for and against piracy but what it comes down to is if you want to support the product or not.
I'm also an Overlord fan that just got volume 11 in the mail as well as waiting for volume 14 to be finished fan translation. I just think the author kind of put his foot in his mouth in a few of his twitter post and they were taken very poorly by international fans. The thing that irritates me is that the Evileye side story we might not get since that was a blue ray bonus and not actually apart of the series so Yen Press might not bother translating it.i totally agree the excuse part. but that excuse really angers me. i have many artist friend and we are talking about these stuff. because of that when i see something moronic(in my opinion) i really get angry.
PS: I dont know you are awere or not but in reddit they are starting translating vol 14 and sharing the links. just check when you are free. If you know that already , just forget it :D
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@hopebestman said in Overlord author Maruyama ends the series at 17th Volume!:
If i wouldnt have the 10 volumes of that series , i really wouldnt buy his books. Crying about the hand which feeding you really irritates me.
Pirates aren't the hand that feeds him though. Most of them just take his work and spend their money on something else.
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@HarmlessDave pirating is a nice way to share information. Many small art work(movie , music , book etc) gets pay from pirating. When i say gets pay , i mean advertaising. Maruyama was an unknown author before Overlord(you can understand why), wo many people wouldnt pay(people likes to spent money on LN but havent that much to spent), would read pirate than if they like would buy the books. Ofc , anime had the biggest helped for the west viewers but still...
8 parts, 8 weeks to read a book, than binge read the same book within' 2 hours again.
Myne: Did we deceived him?
Ferdinand: Indeed we did.
Myne: *surprised myneface -
@hopebestman Err, advertisement only matters when they're unpublished. Once they are working to put a product out for sale, saying "oh, piracy gives them exposure!" is the most bullshit argument you can make.
Even then, telling a struggling artist that you'll give them work for exposure is one of the big scams in life; exposure doesn't pay bills or put food on the table. It's just a ploy to get free labor.
Frankly, piracy is stealing and that's that. If you really cared about the author's work and livelihood, you would buy all the Japanese volumes to support them while reading the fan translations. If you do, then good for you. The vast majority of people don't.
The author has the right to end the series whenever he wants for whatever reason he wants. You can hate him for any reason you like, but even still, piracy never has the high ground in any interpretation.
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"We'll pay you in exposure" doesn't actually pay that much in the art world, and you certainly can't pay bills in exposure. The anime did way more for his bottom line than piracy did.
More importantly, an unsourced claim based on an alleged Twitter exchange with no official statement doesn't hold a lot of water. I believe v14 is currently being written, correct? Never trust an author about when they intend to end something unless they're saying "This is the conclusion, I'm done."
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@saffire v14 published in JP, in EN still waiting for v11. Like i said anime made the biggest impact. Also the guy wants to quit and he is planing his finale from couple years. So yeah that twit is not that offical but still...
@myskaros there are examples that piracy saved some works. In US "The man from earth" get good reviews from pirate downloads and get their money. Although that movie aired on 5-7 theather , after downloads people start sending money. In turkey there is also couple movies which i heard. They didnt get money but the main actors and writer/director get huge publicity so later works get huge offical viewers. However , i am not following movie bussiness , in that area there are examples like those. Again i really dont wanna defend pirate in here. As a member and buying books as much as i can, still saying if piracy is a problem there are some solutions about that.
Before crying about "piracy is bad, i am quiting" at least there should look out some solutions.
For example this, JNC is a nice solution for now. People in here working efficently and good as humane way. There are ups and downs but 30-50 pages per week is really good. And you can access those pages before book is ready.
Real paying people wants to fast access as much as possiable. I will talk from Overlord because current topic is Overlord. v14 eng FanTl currently in reddit. First week and 78 pages translated. Which is fast but we dont know how long it will goes like that. Offical bussiness like JNC gives some assurance weekly 30-50 or whatever unless there is something really bad thing happends.
Netflix for movies and tv shows really nice platform to access. Diffrent countries have different libraries and some problems with them but still better than nothing. Spotify, Steam, Crunchyroll those are fine solutions for people who wants to pay but who wants to access as fast as and as good as possible.
If this guy wants to cry about piracy first we should at least get current v13 translations. Than he can cry about piracy and he would be right 100% about it. Also again, crying about this is just an excuse. He wants to quit this work because (paraphrasing his words) "i want to make finale at around v20 because i want to work about new things. Although i have material about 50 vols , i still want to work from something else" this was couple years ago. So now, he gives this as an excuse? No no no! He cant do that. If piracy as an issue, his publishers or the company who has the rights, could try to do something about it.
Again, i am really sorry for mispoke or defending piracy. As a person, i want to support personally things i like. When i have the money about it, i am supporting as much as i can. Also again, i know in some ways piracy hurts bussinesses in some degree but saying piracy is all bad. This is also wrong. Which i dont agree.
Also if piracy is an issue for this guy, what will he does when he starts his new works? He will hope that people wont pirating anymore? There are many many big endustries have problem with piracy but people trying to their best and trying to find a solution about it.
PS:I guess my biggest mistake in here, saying "Crying about the hand which feeding you really irritates me." which i can see why is that a problem.
8 parts, 8 weeks to read a book, than binge read the same book within' 2 hours again.
Myne: Did we deceived him?
Ferdinand: Indeed we did.
Myne: *surprised myneface -
@hopebestman said in Overlord author Maruyama ends the series at 17th Volume!:
Although i have material about 50 vols , i still want to work from something else" this was couple years ago. So now, he gives this as an excuse? No no no! He cant do that.
It's his book, he can do whatever he wants :/ If you hate it so much, don't buy it. Which it sounds like you're not, since you're trying to say he should somehow make someone translate his books faster, which is outside his control. The company who has the rights to his series has sold the translations rights to someone else, Yen Press, and YP probably doesn't have the company infrastructure to support what you're proposing.
What exactly do you think the author can do about it? Well, he can stop writing if it pisses him off that much, and it seems that's what he's doing.
Whoever said nothing's impossible never tried slamming a revolving door.
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@myskaros i think there is little miscommunication in here.
In my main comment i spesificly said
I am following his interviews on reddit etc and this guy says "i have 50 volume material but i will finish at 20 because i want to try new things." This is really good explanation and i would love to read another series from his pen. However when this side-story released, someone twitted at him and said "hey check this out , on reddit they translated your book" and the answer was "because of these stuff i will count side story another volume and i will finish the series at 17th"
So i totally agree with you. It is his books and even he wants to he can say "fuck you all i am changing the story for high school romance. All nazarick will be HS students and do rom-com for us". So saying the truth and "i want to work on new things" as an artist it is really good and fine excuse. Fans still would be dissapointed and could say "noooo, please dont end the story. we wanna know what will happend next" or something like that but as fans people will support his next work(most probably). But even after telling the truth, changing the story and saying "i will quit because of piracy" that! That part angers me.
Also you asked what could he do about it. Like i said, his publishers or who make the arrangements for international publishing(idk managers, JP publishers or who has the rights on his book), could make an arrangment with better company. Obviously YenPress has a name but they can find better company for eng translation.
8 parts, 8 weeks to read a book, than binge read the same book within' 2 hours again.
Myne: Did we deceived him?
Ferdinand: Indeed we did.
Myne: *surprised myneface -
@hopebestman said in Overlord author Maruyama ends the series at 17th Volume!:
But even after telling the truth, changing the story and saying "i will quit because of piracy" that! That part angers me.
I mean... people are allowed to change their minds :/
Also you asked what could he do about it. Like i said, his publishers or who make the arrangements for international publishing(idk managers, JP publishers or who has the rights on his book), could make an arrangment with better company. Obviously YenPress has a name but they can find better company for eng translation.
That assumes it's even possible to do that, or worth anyone's time or money to try. And that's still not even his decision, it's up to Kadokawa/Enterbrain, since they hold the rights, not Maruyama.
Whoever said nothing's impossible never tried slamming a revolving door.
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@myskaros yeah people are allowed to change their minds but i guess i am allowed to get angry about it? And as a LN forum, i thought this place was ok to share my anger.
That assumes it's even possible to do that, or worth anyone's time or money to try. And that's still not even his decision, it's up to Kadokawa/Enterbrain, since they hold the rights, not Maruyama.
I know life is not that simple. It would be nice if would be that easy :) but still the important thing is there are some solutions or at least better ways than our current sitution. Ofc its not Maruyama's decision but he should be angry to his publishers or the people who makes those deals too. If you leave your door open wide and when you see you got robed. Yes, thief is the real villian but the person who leaves the door open is also guilty. In 21.c you cant be that naive. Anyway my anger fade away slowly when i start new video game. So im all good :)
8 parts, 8 weeks to read a book, than binge read the same book within' 2 hours again.
Myne: Did we deceived him?
Ferdinand: Indeed we did.
Myne: *surprised myneface -
Here is the offending tweet: https://twitter.com/RainyCloud15/status/1131423707937640449
I'm not going to copy the author response, but it sounds more like frustration to me. As for the statement about 50 volumes of material, that's completely false. Maruyama had originally planned on finishing up the series with volume 18, pending Kadokawa allowing it for quite a while based upon this post from 2016: https://twitter.com/maruyama_kugane/status/737220652306825216 I can only assume that was still the plan as of May 2019 since the threat was to finish the series one volume sooner.
As for the free publicity thing, I'll remind everyone that he got his start from syosetsu. This is a well-known platform for writers to post their work for free, and readers are allowed to view them for free. He had his free publicity era, and had to work for it. However, it can't be ignored that once writing becomes your livelihood, you have a right to expect it to provide for you. Once a series is picked up by the publisher, SALES (not free reading) are what dictates the value/pay of the author. This is literally money out of his pocket.
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@hopebestman said in Overlord author Maruyama ends the series at 17th Volume!:
@myskaros yeah people are allowed to change their minds but i guess i am allowed to get angry about it? And as a LN forum, i thought this place was ok to share my anger.
Sure, you're allowed to be angry, and I'm allowed to say that your anger is misplaced.
