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    • frankinnola
      frankinnola Premium Member @LegitPancake last edited by

      @legitpancake yea, then we would not have to deal with Amazon or Bookwalker. less slices of the pie to give away

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      • Jon Mitchell
        Jon Mitchell Premium Member last edited by

        ok - so that I could actually make informed comment I took a look over at Bookwalker.com - they are giving away the first 3 chapters (as a 'promo') of each title and charging 200JPY/ 200coins ($1.91 US) for each part thereafter - just the economics of this seems ill-advised. I've commented before (in the benefits of JNC membership forum, the Tentai press forum etc.) that my expectation is for an e-book of an LN to cost somewhere abound $6.00 to $10.00 (less than the cost of a mass market paperback)- this model makes these e-books cost anywhere from $10.00-20.00 (longer books cost more) -or roughly double the cost of buying whole volumes at a time. A quick look at the most popular titles on Bookwalker site bears out my expectations - most titles are $7-10 (side note- congrats JNC looks like 1/2 of the most popular series are JNC titles!)

        Demon Lord Retry is in the top 10 and is being sold by the chapter --at 100JPY/ $0.97 us - 1/2 the price of the new Kadokawa 'direct' titles

        buying LN's this way isn't my taste - but that aside - it certainly isn't something I'd pay a premium for (and DOUBLE at that!)

        If they tweaked the model a bit, like included the full ePub, and gave a significant rebate in coins, if you purchased all the chapters, it might just work. However, the way it is now just seems dumb.

        I read banned books

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        • custodes
          custodes Premium Member last edited by custodes

          I do not buy mangas by chapter and I would certainly not be buying a novel by chapter either. To me, the books should be sold as volumes or complete.
          This idea of separate chapters is an idea which I do not think will ever be deemed as a prevalent business model in the West. I cannot think of a single western publisher which uses it either.

          And I was looking forward to Hige wo Soru

          Author of Praetor's Blood.
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          • BartzBB
            BartzBB Premium Member last edited by

            IMO they should've just went with a subscription system like what JNC and Crunchyroll does. It makes more sense and it won't scare off potential customers since it wouldn't be that expensive.

            If a customer buys it per chapter then buys the completed volume again then that is just stupid and wasteful. At least with a subscription you don't really own the chapter so it's acceptable if someday you won't be able to read it anymore like what JNC does but in exchange you can read everything that is available in the library.

            They really should just copy the system of either JNC or Crunchyroll. Preferably JNC so that they could lock the released chapters in a vault when they release the complete E-Book and then earn profit from it.

            JNC LN Ranking:
            1st - Rokujouma
            2nd - Realist Hero
            3rd - Bookworm

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            • Jon Mitchell
              Jon Mitchell Premium Member @BartzBB last edited by

              @bartzbb
              or just licensed those half dozen titles to JNC and sold the pre-pubs on bookwalker for .97/chapter like Demon Lord Retry

              we'd get more titles
              Bookwalker gets better translations
              titles get (maybe) a different/wider audience

              everyone wins (?)

              I read banned books

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              • Terrence
                Terrence Premium Member last edited by Terrence

                I think the end game is still a subscription service at some point. They have it on Bookwalker JP. But they gotta build up the catalog for it stateside (unless you're going to sublicense out already existing manga / LN from other publishers on the service, like the JP one eventually did).

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                • jpwong
                  jpwong Premium Member last edited by

                  If a subscription service is their end game, it sounds weird that they'd be starting with per chapter purchasing as the initial rollout. That's way more likely to turn people away from their "service" especially given the pricing Jon Mitchell quoted above. Plus it would become messy when they do convert over to a subscription based service because at that point per chapter sales makes absolutely no sense unless it's titles outside of their subscription service catalogue.

                  I can only hope they release more details here, because I think they're going to need to bring their A game to the table if they want this to succeed. Farming out the process to companies of questionable quality doesn't sound like a winning solution for a new product launch if they end up going that direction.

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                  • xdrfiredogx
                    xdrfiredogx Premium Member @lighthawk96 last edited by xdrfiredogx

                    @lighthawk96 My assumption was that once you purchased all the individual chapters, you could get the complete volume, since we are talking fully released parts and not pre-pubs. But you (and a bunch of other folks) are right, nothing they have said so far establishes that to be true. Even if the premium price wasn't a big deal - and to be honest, for the right title that I've been waiting on and can't get any other way that price wouldn't stop me - having to track individual chapters with no final volume is just too icky to consider unless it was out of desperation.

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                    • SomeOldGuy
                      SomeOldGuy Premium Member @xdrfiredogx last edited by

                      @xdrfiredogx The manga "Domestic Girlfriend" is available electronically as "chapter by chapter" and "full volume" over on Amazon. There doesn't seem to be a way to convert the individual chapters to full volumes, and even though the series is "complete" now, they still sell the chapters separately. Must be a market for that.

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                      • xdrfiredogx
                        xdrfiredogx Premium Member @SomeOldGuy last edited by

                        @someoldguy said in Kadokawa goes.... Direct!:

                        @xdrfiredogx The manga "Domestic Girlfriend" is available electronically as "chapter by chapter" and "full volume" over on Amazon. There doesn't seem to be a way to convert the individual chapters to full volumes, and even though the series is "complete" now, they still sell the chapters separately. Must be a market for that.

                        For manga I can kind of see it, if we think about it like comic books with each manga chapter being the equivalent of a comic issue and the completed volumes as the equivalent of TPBs. The analogy breaks down a bit when you think about release schedules but it's close enough.

                        Though I wouldn't think it's a big market for it being released that way.

                        It's so different from how novels have been released here in the US after the collapse of the serials and pulps that I do wonder how well it'll work. What few examples I can think of are so niche that I wouldn't think the sales would be there.

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                        • Jon Mitchell
                          Jon Mitchell Premium Member last edited by

                          it'll be interesting to see what happens with Crunchyroll's manga subscription service now that the Sony buyout is final

                          I read banned books

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