Black Summoner Anime Discussion
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@grobinson2k1 Lmao, I was complaining to my friend about his name. It's one of my biggest pet peeves when they have a legal, properly translated source material and yet still get named wrong.
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In the Italian subs he was Rio. I guess this time I got lucky.
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@grobinson2k1 said in Black Summoner Anime Discussion:
Eek, Guildmaster Leo… I see how they got there, but really!?
And when we get to Rion it just feels wrong with Leon...
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@Whacka It'll be interesting to see the subtitle team handle that.
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Man, that scene where Efil held Claire's hand, though... girl was so scared, and then when she began crying happy tears at not burning anyone who's nice to her... I tell ya, I was smiling at that one.
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This anime makes me think waaay too much about Kelvin's weird ear piece thingy.
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@Windsagio said in Black Summoner Anime Discussion:
This anime makes me think waaay too much about Kelvin's weird ear piece thingy.
I'm with you on that one... like is it a backup knife that he headbutt monsters with? Is it for cutting spider webs? And how does it stay on? Did he glue it on?
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The part where Efil is jumping up and down and smiling from having finally been touch someone without them bursting into flames was beyond precious. I'm surprised Kelvin didn't end up passing out at the sight of it. And yes I can say that because the anime always has it's different takes from the light novel to the manga. Either way, if he had it would have been appropriate at that point.
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Watching this weeks episode, makes me wonder… did Rio know about which demon was in the dungeon and their purpose there?
Looking to the next few years of Ascendance of a Bookworm.
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Found it a bit funny that when Collette gets back up after receiving the oracle that she has no legs.
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@grobinson2k1 I admit all I can think of every time I see him is the whole "WHAT WAS UP WITH THIS RIO/N THING? WHAT WAS THE WRITER THINKING?!"
(caps very intentional, it drives me crazy)
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@Windsagio said in Black Summoner Anime Discussion:
@grobinson2k1 I admit all I can think of every time I see him is the whole "WHAT WAS UP WITH THIS RIO/N THING? WHAT WAS THE WRITER THINKING?!"
(caps very intentional, it drives me crazy)
In Japanese, there is only one glide consonant. For native Japanese speakers, it’s difficult to distinguish the English L/R sounds. For native English speakers, learning to combine the two glides into one is also difficult. (I learned how to do it, and it still feels odd, even though I studied Japanese in the early ’90s.)
Thus, in Black Summoner, we have Leo/Rio the guildmaster. There’s also a character named Rion whose alternate transliteration I don’t remember atm. In Utawarerumono (Mask of Truth), running right now, there is Rurutie/Lulutie/combo of the two spellings.
So try not to take the L/R inconsistencies too much to heart. The JP ==> EN translator is doing the best s/he can trying to split one phoneme in Japanese into two in English.
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@NekoInu the pronunciation is still the same, which is my point
Edit: I dunno if the names were in Kanji instead of Kana in the original (which would have mooted the problem in the LNs), but it is also a bit of a translation fail, because splitting the R/L in this case would have both made the names more clear and read better in English (as Leo is a name that exists, and I've never heard Rio as a name except that Duran Duran song)
Logic is out, Unreasonableness is in!
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As we have talked enough about Rio.... I still wonder if we will see Rion. I am just wondering about this as we see her in the opening but not in the ending. Even Ange is included there.
@NekoInu said in Black Summoner Anime Discussion:
@Windsagio said in Black Summoner Anime Discussion:
@grobinson2k1 I admit all I can think of every time I see him is the whole "WHAT WAS UP WITH THIS RIO/N THING? WHAT WAS THE WRITER THINKING?!"
(caps very intentional, it drives me crazy)
So try not to take the L/R inconsistencies too much to heart. The JP ==> EN translator is doing the best s/he can trying to split one phoneme in Japanese into two in English.
My problem is not with the R/L problematic. More that someone doesn't use the established translation of the name.
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@Windsagio said in Black Summoner Anime Discussion:
as Leo is a name that exists, and I've never heard Rio as a name except that Duran Duran song
All you had to do was Google "rio name" to find out that it is in fact a name...
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I love your avatar by the way.
That said, a lot of names exist. I took your suggestion and looked it up;
Leo was #45 boys name in 2021.
Rio was #1402 for boys and #3162 for girls (it's a gender neutral name) in 2021.
Seems like a simple fix, especially since there was the luxury of knowing Rion was coming up.
Alternatively, it's just a random member doing 2 posts about a pet peeve, and will soon be forgotten again like the Rio character himself.
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@Windsagio As someone who doesn't have a common "traditional"/western American/Christian name, it frankly rubs me the wrong way when people complain "I've never heard of anyone with that name." Your personal experience should not have any bearing on why someone you've probably never met decided to use this specific spelling; it simply could have come down to "the subtitler knows people named 'Rio' in their life and no one named 'Leo,' therefore they chose that spelling."
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@myskaros That's more than fair, but we all have our own taste y'know?
I'll leave it at that though, arguing with staff and mods is a bad look.
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@saskir said in Black Summoner Anime Discussion:
My problem is not with the R/L problematic. More that someone doesn't use the established translation of the name.
This is my biggest problem with using Leo, they had at least 8+ volumes of fully translated LNs, and another 5+ Manga volumes to use and decided they knew better than established material.
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Also, Leo doesn't even work with the revealed "full name" unless they go with
which... no. Why. Why would you do that. Also I did a quick google and... uh... Leon appears to be a boy's name. Which is probably how they'd anglicize Rion's name if they're giving Rio the name "Leo".
