Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.
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@harmlessdave said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:
First, my apology if you took my comment as a jab, it wasn't intended that way.
To me, a female character who is supposed to be a heavy armor tank being shown with bare shoulders and bare legs is fanservice. It feels like (heavy) bikini armor since I'd expect her to at least be wearing heavy cloth or leather on any area not covered by the armor.
oh no, I wasn't offended at all, I just enjoy playing devil's advocate. Everyone's allowed their own comfort zone and such. And yeah, I'll give you the point she's a heavy tank and should be in full plate. or at the very least chainmail or studded leather. She most likely takes less damage from armored areas, like you'd expect. but we'd never know...
While we're on the subject of prose, books that are WAY overly prose heavy - As much as I like
the story, 86 falls into this category. -
@kuali The thing is flash forward are not always tension killer, they can be, but they can also help built tension when characters seem to powerful to fail.
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Oh I’ll just add the lack of proper gender representation in like every series. Seriously, pick any drawn crowd scene count the female to make heads, I often do, and you’ll start wondering if females are endangered.
Let’s not get started on the comments section on many sites that immediately hate any new women walking on screen, I try not to read the comments section on many sites because of this.
Also happy international womens day
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@salientmind Yeah, talk about unrealistic standards! 😂
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@rozemynekamil1 "lack of proper gender representation" You mean like female warriors who are stronger then men twice their size? Unrealistic portrayals of women is pretty rampant in LN and anime.
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I agree with a lot of what's already been said, so I'll add in one that's not been mentioned yet. The common cold. Every single time this comes up in anime/manga/light novels I'm left somewhat baffled and bemused.
It seems like in Japan, just being outside in a light rain shower for more than 5 minutes is pretty much guarantee of coming down with it. Having played football (soccer) for hours in pouring rain mutiple times with no such results I'm left pondering if this is in fact some completely different disease of the same name, native only to Japan.
Likewise, if the immediate panic to rush to a warm bath doesn't prevent the worst, it seems the unfortunate victim quickly reaches a state of near death, barely able to stand up or even stay conscious in many cases, requiring round-the-clock care to prevent the worst from occurring. Remarkably different to the runny nose, sore throat and general mild discomfort I more familiarly associate with the condition (at least for those of the general age and physical fitness of an average light novel character).
But there is some hope. For where you might normally expect cold recovery to take several days, or even weeks, this strange alternative version has a remarkable turnaround of just one day! Indeed, almost every sufferer will miraculously return from death's door after a good wiping down of their sweat and bowl of soup from their love interest, then a single night's sleep, restored to full health just like that.
In all seriousness though, where did this ridiculous presentation of the cold come from? It plays out the exact same way every time, despite being total nonsense. I mean, you literally can't catch a cold just from getting wet in the first place, it's an infectious disease. It's actually the insistent close range caregivers in every anime situation that are actually the ones putting themselves at risk of catching it.
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@thewickerman I actually have a theory about that. It's very simple - anything less than incapatitating does not count as a cold. So people well into 37s resume their normal activities, and the cold either stops naturally or gets bad to the point where the person pretty much collapses, gets their temperature down overdosing on paracetamol and returns to their normal routine underhealed the next day.
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Cliffhangers. I would rather the author find a good resting point in the story at the end of each volume.
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@strangeattractor said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:
Cliffhangers. I would rather the author find a good resting point in the story at the end of each volume.
Looking at you Monster Tamer for
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@harmlessdave
But then how would they make sure you buy the next volume? But yeah, Monster Tamer is bad about that. -
I just finished the latest volume of The World's Strongest Rearguard: Labyrinth Country's Novice Seeker, and I am so annoyed.
I loved volume 1, because despite the tropes, the main characters were two adults who knew each other and had a complicated relationship. They were both very believable.
Now... We have like a 10+ harem that developed over a matter of days, and the female characters thoughts mostly center on "Man, Arihito is awesome" and the male characters thoughts are "man, Arihito is awesome."
It's like.... You see the promise an author has to develop a world and characters with real personality, and then you get some F tier nonsense. I keep reading and hoping it gets better, but I wished I stopped at Volume 2.
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@salientmind Uh... I don't believe I read the same volume 1 of that series as you did. As far as I can remember it was just as bad in the first volume as it was in the later volumes. Kyouka wasn't even his first party member, or the first to fall victim to his periodic auto heal passive. She also never had any depth to her character, other than their informed history which ended by the middle of the first volume.
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@endoftheline I mean, it's a first volume and she actually had history and motive. The bar wasn't high.
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@salientmind I'd say it's a pretty common fate of Japanese 'ensemble' series (whether harem or non-harem) - the author starts by building the cast up bit by bit, and after a while, they suddenly find themselves with a bunch more main characters then they actually needed... And they're struggling to do anything interesting with them, because their planning notes were basically 'Wouldn't it be great if the MC had a catgirl and a dwarf and an elf - two elfs! - and a lamia and a centaur and a harpy and a dullahan and a vampire and an elegant noble lady and a brainless-but-cute bruiser and a shy bookworm and a girl who can't talk to strangers and a girl who might not be a girl and a couple of delinquent lesbian schoolgirls and a bad angel and a good demon and..."
If there's more than one character that seemed interesting in their introductory arc and then fades immediately into the chorus despite still being in the main cast, that's the kind of series I'm thinking of. Sounds like World's Strongest Rearguard is one of them.
Even the best of those series just leave me wondering what could have been done with all those characters if the author spent a little more time on them (or less time on them, and more on plot). Makes them all a touch unsatisfying, I think.
In case you're wondering, the list was made by mashing together bits of the casts of:
To be clear, not all the series listed suffer from this specific issue.https://forums.j-novel.club/topic/6701/omnibus-builder
https://forums.j-novel.club/topic/5745/ascendance-of-a-bookworm-omnibus-editionsThe Primal Desires: Food, Sleep, Sex, StroZero, Hypnotism, and Awayuki Kokorone.
Item Diaria Apothecaria legi debent.
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@kuali said in Hate on what you Love. Let's air our grievances.:
Everyday Life with Monster Girls
It's why I gave up on the series, to many girls and the MC is in full on Sir Galahad mode. Just him and Mia would have been enough, if you want to show other girls and their problems, just have them marry his friends or something. The humor of his harem ran out pretty quick.
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@folker46 I think what really killed that one for me was when they kept on introducing new Monster Girls after Lala completed the core harem, most of which became one-arc wonders. Not around long enough for you to get attached to, but still sucking lots of screen time away from the actual cast (except Darling).
Personally, I actually found the monsters-in-human-society plots and the interactions between the monster girls more interesting than any of their individual relationships with Darling. So if I was going to cut someone from that series, it wouldn't be Cerea or Papi or the others; I'd cut 'Darling'. Make the implausibly-large house that Smith keeps remodelling into a government-run boarding house for the girls who can't - or won't - be placed with regular families. (Or possibly keep him, but have him as the person hired to manage the boarding house, rather than as everyone's communal love interest.)
https://forums.j-novel.club/topic/6701/omnibus-builder
https://forums.j-novel.club/topic/5745/ascendance-of-a-bookworm-omnibus-editionsThe Primal Desires: Food, Sleep, Sex, StroZero, Hypnotism, and Awayuki Kokorone.
Item Diaria Apothecaria legi debent.
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@kuali personally, I'd have preferred just miia and papi myself. Anything past 2 or 3 girls is just redundant.
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@salientmind - Strongest Rearguard has some good powers-based battles and a decent handling of the power creep, and the labyrinth country is an interesting setting.
I agree that the harem members don't get much character development though they do get some. Each novel has only covered a few days so there hasn't been a lot of time for major changes with the non-stop battles.
As for them all thinking the MC is awesome, that's pretty typical for LNs and he is the strongest (most OP) rearguard not a "zero to hero" style weakest rearguard.
I'm still enjoying it as of volume 6, but that's just me.
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@harmlessdave I agree on the power creep being done well, as long as we're talking about time in units of volumes. But in terms of in-universe time, I wouldn't really call the present power curve a "creep" given that only three-ish weeks passed in the first 5 volumes and everyone else thinks of growth in terms of months and years.
I think the author really shot themselves in the foot by starting the cast off in district 8, but then required them to blitz their way to district 5 to rescue Elitia's friend. So regardless of the MC's view on their current behavior, they pretty much have to rush around to gain power and friends to make it there; there simply isn't time available to simply stop and smell the roses.
P.S. I'm waiting for volume 6 to arrive in the mail, so I'm currently limited by my knowledge through volume 5. But I'm also not expecting volume 6 to affect any of the criticism I wrote.
