Tearmoon Empire - Anime Discussion
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So, am I wrong in that despite the mean narrator's voice and her own internal voice being self-serving, Mia herself, while still sometimes on the privileged side, a relatively normal sort now? She's actually learned a great deal from her incarceration and execution. For example, making friends with Chloe seems to have just been for the purposes of having someone else appreciate Anne's sister's writing with her? She self-frames a lot of her new-found empathy as armed rebellion/revolution prevention, but the result is the same as normal empathy...
Reading Bookworm, Bibliophile, and Dahlia. Also, Girl Genius, xkcd, Witch Hat, Harpy Gee, and Suitor Armor. Looking for suggestions.
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@arghc said in Tearmoon Empire - Anime Discussion:
making friends with Chloe seems to have just been for the purposes of having someone else appreciate Anne's sister's writing with her?
This really does seem the case; no ulterior motivation whatever, nothing concerning avoiding the stalker guillotine, just wanting someone else to enjoy what Anne's sister is writing.
Because it's a good story.
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@arghc Essentially, enlightened self-interest?
She self-frames a lot of her new-found empathy as armed rebellion/revolution prevention, but the result is the same as normal empathy...
Mia pretty much always cared about people. Before it was with ignorance and it showed: "If they have no bread, let them eat cake."
This time it's just with extra steps: obsessively relating everything to guillotines (and later ████/████████).
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@endoftheline - She pats herself on the back for being clever when she can advance her plans by being kind, but Mia is still impulsively kind even when there's no guillotine prevention involved (like when she saved the starving boy in the slums). I think the guillotine-prevention stuff is partially just rationalization
It's hard for me to say anything more without referencing things that haven't happened in the anime yet, though. Heck, even this much is maybe a spoiler; when I was reading volume 1 for the first time, I'm pretty sure I agreed with the narrator's assessment of Mia.
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@rsog412 Mia visited the slums because her diary noted an outbreak of disease in the slums. A disease outbreak that was one step on the way to the guillotine.
While I admit nobility are generally portrayed as uncaring, arrogant buffoons; it takes a special class of callousness to go "oh, you aren't the problem I'm looking for" and leave them for dead after going out of their way to insert themselves into the problem. My impression would be that even most of those kinds of nobility would simply leave a subordinate to deal with it.
When Mia saw the boy, she was worried that it might've been the first signs of the disease outbreak and personally ran over to check on him. That does make it kind of difficult for her to step away and leave it to a subordinate.
FWIW, I agree that Mia is impulsively kind, but I disagree that the guillotine is just rationalization. She'd never have the opportunity to be kind like this if it wasn't for the guillotine as the prime motivation. For Mia, I'd say "kindness" is a consequence of her actions not the premise.
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@endoftheline said in Tearmoon Empire - Anime Discussion:
@rsog412 Mia visited the slums because her diary noted an outbreak of disease in the slums. A disease outbreak that was one step on the way to the guillotine.
While I admit nobility are generally portrayed as uncaring, arrogant buffoons; it takes a special class of callousness to go "oh, you aren't the problem I'm looking for" and leave them for dead after going out of their way to insert themselves into the problem. My impression would be that even most of those kinds of nobility would simply leave a subordinate to deal with it.
When Mia saw the boy, she was worried that it might've been the first signs of the disease outbreak and personally ran over to check on him. That does make it kind of difficult for her to step away and leave it to a subordinate.
An interesting take but I see it differently—
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@jazzyjeoff Sure? But you're looking at it purely from a literary utility perspective, all I'm doing is pointing out that Mia's actions in the slums are still heavily tied to her obsession over guillotines.
And that goes back to my original point: Mia has always cared about people, it's just that in this timeline she's adding extra steps rather than ignorance.
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I think my favorite part of the anime might just be the fact that they obviously have taken inspiration from the manga. Some of her faces are 100% spot on, far more so than just the images from the novels. That implies a level of enjoyment of the series beyond it simply being work for hire as well.
@jazzyjeoff said in Tearmoon Empire - Anime Discussion:
for better or worse, George Takei is now my narrator.
Oh My!
@arghc said in Tearmoon Empire - Anime Discussion:
She self-frames a lot of her new-found empathy as armed rebellion/revolution prevention, but the result is the same as normal empathy...
It's no spoiler to say that she's always been a good bean at heart, even originally. A bit lazy and certainly spoiled but as the LNs progress we do see more of her first life, and her core character isn't any different now... only her approach to things.
Mia is also the epitome of the expression that a rising tide lifts all boats. The anime OP does a great job of showing this with our core cast actually, but by saving herself she inadvertently saves pretty much everyone else around her as well, often from far worse fates. Sometimes this happens in obvious ways - if there is no revolution then Tiona and Sion don't have to lead an army and live with the fact they let people they went to school with die or be executed, for example - but often it's in far more subtle ways. The difference between being sad and lonely and being happy and surrounded by friends, for example. I'll be curious to see how much of that makes it into the anime.
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@xdrfiredogx said in Tearmoon Empire - Anime Discussion:
It's no spoiler to say that she's always been a good bean at heart, even originally. A bit lazy and certainly spoiled but as the LNs progress we do see more of her first life, and her core character isn't any different now... only her approach to things.
Good to know.
Mia is also the epitome of the expression that a rising tide lifts all boats. The anime OP does a great job of showing this with our core cast actually, but by saving herself she inadvertently saves pretty much everyone else around her as well, often from far worse fates. Sometimes this happens in obvious ways - if there is no revolution then Tiona and Sion don't have to lead an army and live with the fact they let people they went to school with die or be executed, for example - but often it's in far more subtle ways. The difference between being sad and lonely and being happy and surrounded by friends, for example. I'll be curious to see how much of that makes it into the anime.
This is interesting and expected but leads to the question (not a request for spoilers, merely an observation, but also not a request for no spoilers 8-) 8-) of when does the threat of the guillotine go away, if ever? Mia is making lots of friends and avoiding many personal and some national mistakes. Of course, there's the question of how much effect a 12 year old would have had on a inter/national level in the first place. If her parents set the stage for the rebellion and her execution was just a collateral damage then her making friends at school might not make much difference.
I am generally expecting the guillotine to remain a threat for the whole series but they could easily change up the journaled threats from large (revolution + guillotine) to small (dad falls off a horse) and back.
Reading Bookworm, Bibliophile, and Dahlia. Also, Girl Genius, xkcd, Witch Hat, Harpy Gee, and Suitor Armor. Looking for suggestions.
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@arghc said in Tearmoon Empire - Anime Discussion:
when does the threat of the guillotine go away, if ever?Well having your head chopped off is not an experience a girl is likely to forget!
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@arghc said in Tearmoon Empire - Anime Discussion:
This is interesting and expected but leads to the question (not a request for spoilers, merely an observation, but also not a request for no spoilers 8-) 8-) of when does the threat of the guillotine go away, if ever? [...] I am generally expecting the guillotine to remain a threat for the whole series but they could easily change up the journaled threats from large (revolution + guillotine) to small (dad falls off a horse) and back.
<begins quietly whistling "Won't Get Fooled Again" by The Who>
I mean... yeah...
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Okay, I have officially been reduced to one of those fans that have nothing but good things to say about their beloved whatever—actully, that's not entirely true—I do have to throw in the words “given the budget and time constraints”.
Still, given the budget and time constraints the episode was perfect!
And for a show that has to pare down so much, to get so many little details right is just beautiful—Liora drooling as Keithwood reprimands Chloe about serving raw meat, Chloe and Anne making a wing-women exit as Abel saves Mia after eating a pepper, Mia in the background crying into her mutilated horsey bread as Keithwood goes into his diatribe—oh and Anne making horsey ears—none of that had to be there—but I am so happy it was!
So wonderful—and yet, none of that was actually from the main event, the swordsmanship tournament—yes, Mia’s reactions, is probably what moved the needle from pretty good to great—but it was great! 6 episodes in—and I am still loving this show! -
OK, the big horse bread was just as adorable as I'd expected. And soon...
...I think the next episode is going to be
And after that... we finally meet the only person in the OP who hasn't made an appearance yet.
My grasp on sanity remains absolute.
Oh, right, the poison, the poison for Kuzco, the poison chosen especially to kill Kuzco, Kuzco's poison. ...That poison?
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@TheGrimLich
Just one? Can you guess them all? (spoilerfy your answers!!)
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@jazzyjeoff My apologies, only major left from the OP. Also...
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@jazzyjeoff said in Tearmoon Empire - Anime Discussion:
@TheGrimLich
Just one? Can you guess them all? (spoilerfy your answers!!)
Still missing…I can get 4/7, I think.
Amazing, @TheGrimLich and I guessed exactly the same for all of them. If I'm wrong, at least I won't be the only one!
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@rsog412 said in Tearmoon Empire - Anime Discussion:
@jazzyjeoff said in Tearmoon Empire - Anime Discussion:
@TheGrimLich
Just one? Can you guess them all? (spoilerfy your answers!!)
Still missing…I can get 4/7, I think.
(sorry if this looks funky —the board was having troubles with the multiple spoiler tags)
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I re-watched all six episodes with my little sister and noticed that we might have been introduced to one of those characters already.
The one on the far right in the first image could be the palace head chef who served yellowmoon tomato stew - his outfit is completely different, but the hair color and beard style are the same.
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@rsog412 Oh, dang. You may be right.
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@arghc said in Tearmoon Empire - Anime Discussion:
when does the threat of the guillotine go away, if ever?
Hmm... I will offer a minor spoiler for an answer...
As well as a non-spoiler answer that the threat changes more so than actually going away.
