Apothecary Diaries anime - airing 2023

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@endoftheline said in Apothecary Diaries anime - airing 2023:

While I can't speak for what it's like in Japanese, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a way to communicate it with less of a chance to cause misunderstandings.

Well, Hongniang did smack Maomao in the head for it, so I'd say that the in-story characters agree with you on the idea that Maomao could have phrased it better.

In case you're curious or want to use ChatGPT to dissect it, this is what Maomao says in the original Japanese (taken from the light novel, but it matches the anime):

「申し訳ありません。壬氏さまにご満足いただける対価など、思いつかなかったもので」

「ええ、一夜の夢に喜んでおりました」

「大変ご満足いただけたようで、こちらとしても頑張ったかいがありました」

kuali

Huh, we actually got to see Kounen's murder in the cold opening? That's more Columbo than the usual episode...

It took considerable effort to get Gyokuyou to stop laughing uncontrollably and explain

I can only assume that her title being Precious Consort was a translation error: They clearly meant Trollish Consort.

Stop spoiling my nostalgia with reality!

Jinshi finally found Maomao's weakness: Drinking age laws!

Maomao: "I'd hate to die. Death means no more opportunities to poison myself!"

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Alright, progress check! Looks like we're up to the end of Two 'Cides to Every Story. And going by the preview, the next episode is going to cover the next four chapters... which makes it look like the first book will finish at episode 11. Though I guess after previously predicting 10 and 12 episodes to adapt the first volume, I had to get the right number eventually...

rsog412

Given the events of volumes 9 and 10, I think Jinshi's line at 14:11 in episode 9...

「先生、ちゃんと見てもらいないだろうか?」
「sensei, chanto mite morainai darou ka?」
"Doctor, could you please do a proper autopsy?"

Should probably say "examination" instead of "autopsy." It's probably technically correct (autopsies don't have to involve dissection afaict), but I think most people would get the wrong impression of what Jinshi actually asked there.

Not that anyone on these forums has the power to make corrections to whomever is doing the Crunchyroll subtitles.

NakamiJun

I still keep laughing at Jinshi's reaction where Maomao clearly broke him...

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I still love the animation work and I'm happy the series has continued to be very close to the LN. Especially compared to some series' which seem to be squished time-wise so they fit into single episode blocks or even gloss over chapters the Animation team thought were not required... It also continues to look beautiful.

kuali

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Is it part of the nature of being a woman to be cautious of the same sex?

I'm not an expert on women myself, so its not like I can answer that one... I'm just amused that Maomao didn't know the answer, either.

Does she remind me of someone?

'No'. You're 'seeing things'.

I found hunched-old-man Maomao after her first day of physical labour to be surprisingly amusing 😎

Lady Lishu, accompanied by just the one taster? Why is she at the Garnet Pavilion?

Clearly, its a clandestine raid to destroy Ah-Duo's stocks of Lishu's Kryptonite - Honey!

Oh, right, that's the kind of pervert he's always been!

And at this rate, always will be 😁

Gaoshun deliberately notices nothing
Maomao He's getting laxatives in his food later! 🤣

Jinshi patiently waits for Maomao to finish her eureka flashbacks
Gyokuyou "Jinshi!"
Jinshi "Damn, I shouldn't have hesitated... I'll feed you next time, Maomao!" flees

Gaoshun She does have some peculiarities
Some? They've been practically driving the plot all season!

Progress check! Turns out, last week's preview (the bit that made me think we'd cover four chapters this time), was showing a teaser at the start of the episode, not something actually covered this week. Dirty trick by the production company, that😢 Anyway, we covered the chapters Honey 1 and Honey 2 in episode 10, and every scene I could recognise in the preview was in the next two chapters, so it looks like book 1 will get cover a full 12 episodes after all.

kuali

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Ah-Duo: "It's bad enough that I'm in labour, why are you idiots making me do strength training at the same time?!!"

"Hey. Do you know what's most precious to the person most precious to you?"

Do you? You never told Ah-Duo what really happened, so how can you be so sure you know her thoughts on the matter?

I guess that's not bad for hastily-improvised body armor, but Maomao really needs to get something a little sturdier if she's going to make a habit of confronting murderers one on one...

Jinshi: "It's sweet."
Maomao: "Poisonous though."
Jinshi: Giant spit-take

Whoa! Booze! 🤣

Maomao: "You'll catch a cold wihtout a coat."
Jinshi: "I don't need a coat, I've got a Maomao!"

Maomao: Comes up with a theory that fits all of the facts and explains the motives of all the main characters in the story
Maomao: "Complete nonsense. An idiotic delusion of a story."

Progress check! Almost got this week's episode right. It covered the episodes Honey Part 3 and Ah-Duo, then clipped a tiny bit from the start of Dismissal for its ending. So we're on track to finish Volume 1 in exactly 12 episodes :)

NakamiJun

I got all teary eyed watching Lishu chase after Ah-Duo... The girl always in need of a parent and the woman who wished to be someones mother... ;_;

Though knowing what comes Lishu is such a sad story in general...

arghc

The anime is painting MM as much more of a lush than I remember from the LN. Sure she likes booze but she doesn't sparkle eyes and grabby hands in the LN. That's more when medical ingredients are dangled. 8-)

Travis Butler

@arghc said in Apothecary Diaries anime - airing 2023:

The anime is painting MM as much more of a lush than I remember from the LN. Sure she likes booze but she doesn't sparkle eyes and grabby hands in the LN. That's more when medical ingredients are dangled. 8-)

We just haven’t seen them dangle the ox beozar yet. ^^;;

Honestly, the anime’s been exaggerating a number of her reactions with SD neko features; this case didn’t stand out for me from the rest.

I do remember her going ‘oooh, booze’ at this point in the LN, so it’s only a matter of degree; and on that, see above.

kuali

Jinshi: Anguished thoughts about how to do right by the object of his affections... without just drowning her in poison
Gaoshun: "I thought she was just a convenient pawn."

Maomao: I have to make it appear like I'm not begging.
Jinshi: She isn't begging to stay... she must be happy to go!
Maomao: Bluescreen

Don't think I've seen round-faced petulant Gyokuyou before! And I couldn't help but grin at Jinshi stewing in his personal swamp of dispair...

I'm sure they wouldn't notice one thing taken as a souvenir!

...Tsk, its terrible what actions addictions can drive young girls to. See how Maomao contemplates theft to fund her poison habit?

Its such a little detail, but I love the mismatched expressions on the Three Princesses' faces as they enter the room for the party - Meimei and Pairin seem quite professional, but Joka looks unhappy to be there...

Jinshi: "You should really stop experimenting with poison."
Maomao: I guess I could switch to experimenting with poison...ing pretty eunuchs...

Oh, gods, no! A bathing scene for Grams? My poor, abused eyes! 😢

And next time: Volume 2!

arghc

S-Rank Daughter went to 13 episodes, but Apothecary and Tearmoon seem stalled out at 12. A break for the holiday or that's all for season 1s?

kuali

@arghc Crunchyroll has Apothecary Diaries listed as a continuing series in its Winter 2024 lineup, so this one's probably just having a break.

kuali

Alright, start of Cour (and Volume) 2!

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New opening theme/sequence. Looks like all the scenes I could recognise were from the same book, so I'm gonna guess they're keeping up the 12 episodes a book pacing. (Yay!)

Also, Lihaku's muscles are insane.

I succumbed to the allure of the caterpillar fungus.

Yeah, that's Maomao alright.

Luomen: "Maomao, non-medical staff can't turn up with a bag full of poisons and poison-related equipment. People might think you're looking to poison someone."
Maomao: "...They were for recreational use only..."

Maomao's scene with Luomen was touching 🙂

Aaand Jinshi's repeatedly bluescreening at the sight of Maomao in nice clothes and makeup. Seems he's still not used to being more attracted to a girl than she is to him!

Ooh, and we're getting teased with a man with a monocle!

Suiren: "You must be Xiaomao."
Maomao: "Xiaomao?"
Gaoshun: Couldn't look more innocent if he tried

A woman who saw this would lose herself easily. A man would pounce on him right away. An apothecary would get bored and start daydreaming about poisonous mushrooms.

Lead Court Lady: "Are you listening?"
Maomao: Blatantly still staring at her boobs

Maomao: "Does that man have such interesting proclivities?"
Eavesdropping Jinshi: Hurt by how accurate a description it is

And the new ending also wants us to enjoy a shirtless man, just this time it is Jinshi, not Lihaku...

NakamiJun

Finally got to see the new episode... So much Maomao lightens my heart.

Not sure I like the new Opening and Ending... Though I do like the 2D turned 3D effect used in the Opening...

lol, and I agree with Maomao... Why did Jinshi think she'd ace the exam? She may be smart, but none of the things they test for in that exam have ever mattered to Maomao before... xD

Gamen

@NakamiJun said in Apothecary Diaries anime - airing 2023:

Though I do like the 2D turned 3D effect used in the Opening...

That in particular was neat to me too.

Some of the scenes were in that very episode, like Maomao being confronted by the court ladies and still-waking-up Jinshi, or in the next episode preview like Maomao lecturing the Four Concubines. Though it looks like some parts were actually redrawn, or at least recolored.
That blurred spinning transition between scenes reveals some interesting details on how it's made; if you go frame by frame, you can see which parts of the scene are separate components; which ones are 3d props, like Maomao's podium and lectern, and which are just 2d billboards, like of course the characters themselves, but also things like chairs. ....It also reveals that the software probably wasn't intended for that, or they didn't take the time needed to do it right because it was going to be motion blurred anyway, because those components are all over the place during those high-speed frames.

Drenok

So I stumbled on this anime during the winter break... And because I could not wait for the second part I decided to get the first 2 volumes.

Now I understand why I felt like the first 12 episodes was a complete set... They adapted a single volume over 12 epsiodes, and I guess the second volume will be the next 12 episode. Somehow, the adaptation is richer with this approach. (I wish Season 4 of a certain Gremlin's adventures also get this treatment but I can only dream).

kuali

@Drenok And now you know why the phrase at the end of my post signature is Also, the Apothecary Diaries must be read. 😁 (Though it might be less obvious why its in latin...)

But yeah, they really do seem to be going 1 volume per cour, which preserves so much more of the detail of the work than adapting multiple books into each set. There are some series where the loss might not hurt too much (action series, for instance, can generally do fight scenes rather faster in anime than in prose)... But Apothecary isn't one of them.

Admittedly, Gremlin (7 books adapted in 36 episodes) is not the worst offender I can think of for doing the opposite - That's The Saint's Magic Power is Omnipotent which covers a full Light Novel every 3 episodes on average. (It's completed the first 8 novels and some spinoff manga material in just 24 episodes...)

NakamiJun

@kuali said in Apothecary Diaries anime - airing 2023:

Admittedly, Gremlin (7 books adapted in 36 episodes) is not the worst offender I can think of for doing the opposite - That's The Saint's Magic Power is Omnipotent which covers a full Light Novel every 3 episodes on average. (It's completed the first 8 novels and some spinoff manga material in just 24 episodes...)

While I love the TSMP books... The series is... lacking. Much to rushed. I think I've said that before though. xD

1 entire volume was basically striped down to almost nothing and made a single episode... Which was sad as it leads to many later events and ironically when some of those later events happen they just start ignoring anything they didn't show in that single episode and toss big parts (like how she leads a food revolution)...

Lisast

@kuali Unfortunately 3-4 LN volumes per cour is the standard for anime adaptations. Just this last season My Daughter Left the Nest did 4 volumes as well. Even the big series like Overlord or Mushoku Tensei do 3 volumes a cour. Re:Zero did 9 over its first 2 cour season and then barely fit 6 into its second season even with extra long episodes. The worst I've seen is between Genius Prince and Infinite Dendrogram, which as I recall both attempted five volumes over a single cour (it didn't turn out great, though Genius Prince has short volumes so it wasn't as bad).

These days I generally take a slower adaptation rate as a sign of quality for both the anime and its source, as it can demonstrate both confidence in the material right from the beginning and a story with enough actually going on that a volume can't all be cut down and crammed into 3 or 4 episodes. Spider, Tearmoon, Bookworm (Part 2), 86, Eminence in Shadow, and of course Apothecary Diaries are examples of this. Though given I won't tend to check or remember the adaptation rate for series that I never bother checking out in the first place or don't particularly enjoy, that could just be one big confirmation bias.

arghc

@kuali said in Apothecary Diaries anime - airing 2023:

@arghc Crunchyroll has Apothecary Diaries listed as a continuing series in its Winter 2024 lineup, so this one's probably just having a break.

I saw a trailer from a (I can't remember which) Japanese channel and if my uninformed interpretation of the text on screen was correct, this is season 2 (at least on its Japanese 'caster). The entirely new intro/outro pieces seem to corroborate this idea.