Novel pick-up requests
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@dtta said in Novel pick-up requests:
@paulnamida To be fair, the Asterisk War LN is really pretty good. The adaptation was fairly lackluster though. A lot of the complaints about Asterisk War is due to either the adaptation or the person just wanting to hate on it. Though I do think personally Chivalry is better.
well, Digibro has a whole Video series about why Asterisk Wars sucks and he gives some genuine reasons why and it involves the writing of the show witch the LN would have (though it is possible it wont be as bad). This video series ends with a 2-part comparison with Chivalry (witch highlights the flaws in Asterisk War even more). I dont believe a person will Hate something because they just want to hate it, though if you go into something expecting to hate it that will influence your opinion; I watched Chivalry expecting to hate it yet I was pleasantly surprised. I believe in a sort of Universal quality, A good series will always be a good series and a bad series will always be a bad series and these series will ultimately reach their quality in the eyes of the general people. To argue the Adaption point, I do think adaption can "ruin" a story but if the adaption remains as faithful as it possibly can than the writing and characters should be at around the same level right? say if The Minotaur Fight in Danmachi had the same animation Quality as SAO fights (SAO fights are really boring, flashy lights don't make good fights), That Minotaur fight would still be good (maybe not great but still good) and this is because of the writing in the fight.
Edit: I believe to some extent you can judge a series by the quality of there fights, this reins true if you compare the Minotaur fight in Danmachi vs the Gleam Eyes fight is SAO too.
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Actually, Digibro is the guy I was referring to. Some his stuff is valid, a lot of it isn't in a lot of respects. Some of his examples come off as "THIS SHOW IS TOTALLY NOT REALISTIC! RAR!" Kinda like people who bag on superheroes or bitch about the Endor Holocaust and other stupidity. Not to mention the things he mentions that are actually contradicted by the books and anime itself.
Not saying it's high literature, but it's not nearly as bad as people say. But much like SAO, it became a big meme thing where people liked to bag on Asterisk War to show how developed an anime person they are, not like those PEONS who like that stuff. It's basically virtue signalling, anime-style.
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@dtta said in Novel pick-up requests:
Some his stuff is valid, a lot of it isn't in a lot of respects. Some of his examples come off as "THIS SHOW IS TOTALLY NOT REALISTIC! RAR!"
This is a clear case of Strawmaning Digibros's argument but I will let it slide. It would help if you name some specific points he makes and say why they are false.
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edited I was snarkier than I should have been, I think, so am rephrasing.
Suffice it to say I don't think it necessary to 'let it slide'. ;) I will note that I do think the Asterisk War adaptation is rather flawed in various ways, but do think Digibro's critique was in some ways biased - which he admits to from time to time himself. :)
I don't care to derail the thread with a long dissertation on Digibro's critique, however, so we'll have to agree to disagree.
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@paulnamida
Publishers
Asterisk is Kadokawa title while Chivalry of a Failed Knight is GA bunko's
Well, for me, both ain't that great nor one is better than the other. -
Well, personally I like Chivalry of a Failed Knight anime more cuz of the direction.
Silver Link. directors (Shin Onuma's proteges we may say) are really good and innovative~ -
Execution Tarot is getting a volume 2. This is a VR Escape Room death game thingamajig I think. Unfortunately, it is Kadokawa, so I'll be submitting my rec to Bookwalker (and I guess Seven Seas).
https://bookwalker.jp/de76448317-6499-4acb-8cec-e685a34a8321/?acode=WpfPW3yk
This also looks like fun. "Is not it true that the brave is too cute and can not be defeated?
http://dengekibunko.jp/newreleases/978-4-04-893855-6/
Basically, the devil goes to stamp out the brave in reality before she comes to the different world, but he falls in love with her instead... I think? That's what I got from Google Translate. This one is brand new.
In terms of the Asterisk War debate, I've always wondered if people have read anything after the anime to see if the novel goes to better places they didn't expect. But hearing the anime basically covers to (through?) volume 6, that would be a long slog of potentially poor content to get through to get there.
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I have a hard time understanding people who like Smartphone but bag on Asterisk War. I haven’t seen the anime so can’t comment but have enjoyed the first four books, they’re simple fun Battle School harem stories with largely enjoyable characters. It’s not high art but then something like Smartphone is really just a relaxing pleasure read too, I feel like people who like the one should at the very least understand someone liking the other. If anything IMO, Asterisk War is the better written of the two, helped along by the fact each volume is short and concise.
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@the-green-death These are two very different series. This is like saying if you like Log Horizon you should like SAO. even if you compare series that are similar (even if it is just surface level) like comparing Asterisk Wart with Chivalry of a Failed knight or Kuroko no Basket and Haikyuu, they are completely different series even then. Death Note and Code Geass are also compared to each other but I can safely say I like Code Geass much more, Death Note just became kinda bland after ep 7 and even then both series are very very different.
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@drone205 Yeah I understand that tastes are different, and I didn’t say everyone who likes thenone shouod like the other at all. What confuses me is anyone saying one is shit and talking down on it’s fans and then enjoying the other. It’s like saying Wendy’s is great but anyone who likes Subway has no taste. It’s all fast food. They’re both cliche ridden soft cozy light novels.
Absolutely enjoy what you like and there’s no need to enjoy what you don’t- but it strikes me as odd to take moral high ground over any of it. We’re not talking high literature here.
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@the-green-death said in Novel pick-up requests:
Absolutely enjoy what you like and there’s no need to enjoy what you don’t- but it strikes me as odd to take moral high ground over any of it. We’re not talking high literature here.
It's funny that we are absolutely still a niche audience in the macrocosm of society and yet we still rag on people, in our own niche group!, for not liking things we like or vice versa. It's a pretty special and depressing kind of hypocrisy.
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@myskaros I learned this depressing truth years ago. Anime/Manga/Light Novel fans have managed to overcome the stigma that's even worse than for stuff like video games or american comic books, yet we still stigmatize niches within the niche.
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Back on topic, I'm gonna request that we get our first English Reverse Isekai series.
勇者の活躍はこれからだ！ 異世界からの出戻り勇者は平穏に暮らしたい
The Google Translate title is The success of the brave is now! Returning from a different world brave want to live in peace.
Publisher: Overlap
Summary: It's a Reverse Isekai series about a Hero that has finally managed to return to Earth after 15 years. The problem is that he has gone 15 years without proper education and can't be expected to get a normal job in modern society. So he goes off to live in seclusion and work as an alchemist using his cheat. Main heroine is some assassin girl that came from the other world too.
I'm interested in it cause of obvious reasons. One is that I want to throw it in the face of people when explaining that Reverse Isekai isn't Fantasy->Modern as much as Returning to Original World. The premise is something interesting which I don't see done enough and I'd be interested in reading the series. Plus cute assassin heroine is cute.
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@aruseus493 I like the idea of this reverse isekai a lot!
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@the-green-death said in Novel pick-up requests:
I have a hard time understanding people who like Smartphone but bag on Asterisk War. I haven’t seen the anime so can’t comment but have enjoyed the first four books, they’re simple fun Battle School harem stories with largely enjoyable characters. It’s not high art but then something like Smartphone is really just a relaxing pleasure read too, I feel like people who like the one should at the very least understand someone liking the other. If anything IMO, Asterisk War is the better written of the two, helped along by the fact each volume is short and concise.
As someone who likes Smartphone but hates Asterisk War, I feel offended by your post.
Alright, sarcasm aside, I feel like this is a poor comparison given the completely different focus of both series, with Smartphone being more of a SoL adventure anything-goes comedy series and Asterisk War being a magical battle school series. While both might be generic as hell and back, Smartphone has fun with its own setting and gets away with it because it's a self-aware comedy series, AW on the other hand fails hard by taking itself too seriously but presenting subpar plot and character development ending up looking just edgy. I have a completely different mindset while reading each because of the way the series are presented. Enter Chivalry, that is inside the same genre as AW and presents itself with pretty much the same feel for it, and while it has plenty of cliche moments and is fairly generic, the characters interactions and development is leagues better, which makes for more compelling story-telling. So it's more of not meeting the expectations it sets for itself. Being generic/cliche doesn't make something bad by definition, you can get away with it as long as you execute it well. Smartphone does a decent execution, while AW does not. Of course, this is just my opinion, if you like AW we can agree to disagree.
With that little bit done, I'd like to second that reverse isekai story. Sounds fun as hell.
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Note: I kinda Ramble a bit here
@paulnamida I completely agree with you. I have a hard time understanding people who say if you like X you will like Y. Well, I can understand the reasoning, both series may have the same surface level details or even have similar themes or a similar core. these people will probably say stuff like "The Book is Better" but if the book and the Movie or TV show is telling the same story then is it not the same quality? Sherlock with Benedict Cumberbatch is very different from The Sherlock Holmes with Jeremy Brett. one is a kind of Frankenstein Monster stitching different stories and ideas together (and don't forget the Queer Baiting that just does not belong and is only there for fanservice) and the other is a faithful adaption. Surely if you like Sherlock Holmes (Jeremy Brett) you must like Sherlock (Benedict Cumberbatch) or if you like Sherlock Holmes (Book) you must like Sherlock (Benedict Cumberbatch) by this reasoning. The point is that by this reasoning you must like the adaption as much as the source material.
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Well, I have a theme for some of my recommendations: Game
as long as Games wither it be Video Games or Board Games or any kind of Games play a big part of the story.Problem children are Coming from Another World
Only Sense Online
Complete Novice
Kusoge Online (BETA)
Relaxed VRMMO Log
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I like the look of the game club novel type books. Unfortunately, almost all of them are Kadokawa branded. T.T
I'll grab a few of the ones I've been looking at...
"I play LP with Gyaru of the same class"
https://bookwalker.jp/dee23600d0-0c42-4873-834a-d2bdfba66e46/?acode=WpfPW3yk
This is the one that has Minecraft featured in its inserts.
Also... What about Death Games? =P
"Werewolf Game" (this series has a lot of novels and manga; dunno if it has arrived stateside in any form).
https://bookwalker.jp/de529e98a7-838c-4996-856c-50a57b71a3b7/?acode=WpfPW3yk
And...
(Rough Google Translation)
"Because I was involved in a game of life, I decided to kill the one I do not like from one end"
https://bookwalker.jp/de42d64799-a41f-4b19-8008-cb0561ce5e88/?acode=WpfPW3yk
One more...
"It's fun Because the World Became a Death Game"
https://bookwalker.jp/de50842516-2367-451d-9283-a8e3c8ba47ac/?acode=WpfPW3yk
If you're wondering why no descriptions:
- Death Games are the most spoiled by reading descriptions, so I don't if I can avoid them.
- A lot of the titles are barely translating, and there's not a ton of info out there about a few of these. But the Bookwalker links are there if you want to learn a bit more / see color inserts. =]
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@paulnamida I wasn’t really saying much about the content of the series and made no claims that anyone who likes Smartphone should like AW. I just find it strange that someone who likes Smartphone couldn’t understand someone who enjoying AW when surely neither is what would be considered high art.
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@the-green-death Yet they are still art.
