Wait, Kokoro Connect is really hated???
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Is it really hated? Aside from thoose few curious cat questions i didn't see anyone hating on it.
I like it, i mostly watch it because i like the anime and it fell similar to the empty box and Zeroth Maria wich i love. It's not the best J-NC title but it's in the top.
However i've seen an other comment say that the begining was messy, and i totaly agree, the author just thraw all thoose name and surname at the time without introduction for most. It quickly stop being a problem but i can see why people would stop reading after the first part.I didn't know of the controversy before, i look at it and it seem really stupid to boycot the LN for it, it was an anime online thing, and the problem in itself was rather small and irrelevant. Hopefully so far nobody seem to boycot the LN because of that.
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There was an incident like that?
to be honest I only know it right now, after looking for it.I am not a fan of anime review or rating. I prefers the "3 episode rule" where I watch it myself and decide to continue or not. so I missed the whole incident. and I think 2012 is where I start to distance myself from anime forum and more active on facebook where most of my friend is just regular anime-fans and not those 4ch/2ch lurker or the most up to date.
As for the novel, from what I can remember from the anime there is nothing that I was curious about to make me interested on reading the novel.
I mean I know the plot already, I know the character, and there is nothing on it that appeal to me to read the novel.
I might like it if I try to read it but not for now, I just don't have the right palate to enjoy it right now. -
@bloodygaikotsu yep it is not well received but in my opinion it is very good and interesting series and would recommend it
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I watched the anime when it was airing. Didn't leave much of an impression on me, as I can't even remember anything from it (...besides that great "I've masturbated to you too" line from Inaba).
That kind of drama (or drama in general even) is just not to my tastes, as I couldn't empathize with any of the characters.
Compare that to Sakurasou, where I loved and empathized with each and every one of the characters and it became one of my favourite anime despite being a drama.Basically, I just don't care for KoCo one bit. I wasn't aware of any controversies, but it's just not my kind of story.
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Kokoro Connect is... decent? Which is more than what I can say about the vast majority of the available titles. Back in 2012 anime was in my top 5 of the season (if you include the honestly great specials/OVA) right behind Horizon 2, Jinrui and Joshiraku. Good times.
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The body-switching genre is very low on my list, and so is coming-of-age drama. High school was long, long ago and high school age drama needs a stronger hook than body-switching to lure me in.
I voted waiting for catch-up but it was a toss-up between that and "not interested."
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@harmlessdave since you mentioned it and that got my brain gears turning (still really miss Gear Drive by the way really wish it would come out soon).
If there was a story person A (born and raised in modern japan) body swapped with person B (in alternate universe set in some medical fantasy work or something like that) and they loved each other’s lives as best they could and encountered hardship and learned about life and junk I would actually like to read that.
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I enjoy reading it quite a bit, and as I haven't watched the anime the story is new to me. If the phenomena were limited to body swap, I'd wager the trope would become stale. But as every book introduces a new abnormality, there's enough variation to keep it interesting.
I'd actually like a few more SoL drama titles (not necessarily set in high school); I consider genre variety to be important lest one tires of genre-specific clichés.
But then again I also liked Ao Oni, Echo and Yume Nikki, so my taste might not align with the typical j-novel reader ¯\(ツ)/¯
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I'm enjoying Kokoro Connect, but given that I've seen the anime there is not much to say at present other than that the internal monologues can sometimes give me more of an insight into some of the characters which is interesting.
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I love Kokoro Connect. I binged the anime in 2013, I think. Long enough after the controversy to affect my opinion, and since then it's been long enough that reading its LN makes the story and characters feels fresh and exciting again.
Lately, I've been single-handedly trying to keep the volume discussions alive, to little avail. Hoping it'll be more active post-anime content.
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@rahul-balaggan said in Wait, Kokoro Connect is really hated???:
@harmlessdave since you mentioned it and that got my brain gears turning (still really miss Gear Drive by the way really wish it would come out soon).
If there was a story person A (born and raised in modern japan) body swapped with person B (in alternate universe set in some medical fantasy work or something like that) and they lived each other’s lives as best they could and encountered hardship and learned about life and junk I would actually like to read that.
That does sound more interesting, at least the other world story. An ordinary person dealing with living in our world is (by itself) is all too familiar so the transferred consciousness would need something like overpowered specialized skills (Full Metal Panic!'s Sousuke) or abilities (ESP, magic) to make it less common.
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I kinda feel like it's just stuck in the incidents shadow now.
Looking at places like Reddit, anytime Kokoro Connect comes up you'll normally find someone referencing the incident not too far behind (and discussion of the incident seems to takeover the topic). It can never really escape the association, meaning that new people are generally introduced to it alongside the anime scandal. Hearing about the incident would probably be enough to turn some people away, but then they end up forming an opinion.I question if part of the reason it can't escape the shadow is because the anime (and scandal) was what introduced many people to Kokoro Connect. It was introduced to the west with this cloud over it and every time it tries to rise above or branch out in the west (such as the LN release) it gets reigned back under that cloud. Its in a tough spot unfortunately.
Some of it I think can also be attributed to how the information on what happened was reported. Misinformation on who is to blame, what actually happened and more keeps getting circulated.
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Just too old in a way where identity issues don't concern me anymore (in other words, I'm comfortable being a closeted basement otaku having to play an imposter at work with patients and colleagues). I would have probably liked this if I had run into it earlier, but it's just not my taste. I'd buy it for my younger cousins and my niece.
Now, Orphen and Seirei, there are known issues with both of those series (not in the same sense as New Life+), but I'm wary about starting either of those series for the same reasons why I did not start Clockwork Planet or Me A Genius. -
(does a google search on "the incident")
Wow, this is down there with Kadokawa's firing the Kemono Friends team for terrible mistreatment of people.
That doesn't change my feelings towards the light novels though. Still little to no interest :)
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I'm somewhat amused people can grow up from teenage drama but not from preschool isekai.
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@novurdim said in Wait, Kokoro Connect is really hated???:
I'm somewhat amused people can grow up from teenage drama but not from preschool isekai.
Another world is another world, so not what we see around us every day.
I'd much rather read a C.J. Cherryh or L.E. Modesitt Jr. novel about somewhere else than the NY Times bestsellers about midlife crises, long-buried child abuse, etc. all set in our own world. I can enjoy someone like Mark Twain mostly because the setting is a window back into a world before I was born.
Beverly Hills 90210? Boring. Buffy The Vampire Slayer? Fun. To me of course -- read what you enjoy, enjoy reading it, and don't let others not enjoying it make you feel threatened.
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@novurdim there's something about fantasy that just helps hold the suspension of disbelief, the fact that it's a different world where the rules of our own might not necessarily apply play a huge factor in this. Realistic drama on the other hand is much harder to do right because it can either strike too close to home and feel intrusive, or strike too far and reach no empathy, you walk a thin line when writing those. It's much easier to enjoy stupid isekai than a realistic drama that steps out of bounds.
That said, I really liked the KC anime, and will be picking up the novels once we get to volume 4. I really want to read Michi Random. This is one of those series where I felt the drama was well done.
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@alocervancouver Wait, what do you mean known issues for Orphen or Seirei?
Orphen's primary series of 20 books has long been completed. I mean, there are sequel series and arcs but that's like saying the Lord of the Rings isn't complete because Tolkien didn't finish "The Silmarillion" before his death.
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@sam-pinansky Sorry, I should have been more specific.
Yes, I actually asked when Orphen was coming out whether it was the first or second set. I heard about Orphen back in the day when Slayers was queen of the LN journey as something that "if you like Slayers, you'll love Orphen." (In case you're wondering, no I cannot read Japanese at all, but can read both traditional and simplified Chinese just fine and a good deal of LN's like Slayers and Orphen make it legitimately to the Chinese market.) And then the novels went on publication hiatus for two-three years, then while the series was resumed, the first four volumes were rereleased with major edits. There's a rumor out there that the series had some "help" as the author apparently wrote his way into a hole. I then saw the anime, then thought to myself, that irrespective of whether the rumor was true or not, the author obviously did not plan the series very well before starting. I'm just not interested in a series that shoots itself in the foot (like Haruhi). If you do end up publishing the gaiden series, I would be interested in that as it's significantly better planned (and I have read it).
For Seirei, I'm withholding judgment until they get past the reunion arc. Maybe there are some extensive rewrites, but this is one that will need significant rewrites.
In general, I'm not interested in series from authors who obviously write themselves into plot holes or go too far in terms of ambition without resolving the mess they made without ex machina involved (why I can't read George RR Martin, because any real fan of his knew the moment that GoT was announced as a TV series, there went any hope of him completing it as he made enough money to never need to complete another novel). I hold an extremely negative view toward ambitious series unless they get it done.
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I don't think comparing isekai to drama or LN to anime is fair on either count. I enjoyed the anime, but wouldn't call it a favorite. It was good for a three hour binge. However, not something I'm interested in making enough time to read the LN series.
As for comparing against isekai, I'll echo what has already been said. I get enough real life drama in my real life. Anime, manga, and LN are my escape from that. I don't think Kokoro Connect really classifies as a "real life" drama because it does have the supernatural aspect, but not really interested in reading about normal people doing normal things. IMO, series like "Haruhi Suzumiya" and "Love, Chunibyo & Other Delusions" did a lot better service for the genre.
Not cutting down on "Kokoro Connect", but just really didn't catch my attention enough to place on a list of books I want to read.
