Books/Preorders missing from Amazon
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@lighthawk96 Alas my solution of writing my own web app and hosting it myself is not for everyone. I understand there's at least one web app that uses Calibre, but literally any solution that puts your purchased books under your own control throws out the convenience of having someone else manage the software and library...
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@LegitPancake Just checked it at the time of posting. But yes I did not see any volume on sunday.
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@lighthawk96 Ultimately no single store is guaranteed to be safe as they all reserve the right to delist content at their discretion. Kobo has at least shown they're willing to provide details about delistings so that the publisher can take the necessary steps to allow their product to be relisted.
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@Rahul-Balaggan said in Books/Preorders missing from Amazon:
Other then that, I believe some Ghost Ship volumes are not available on Kobo, I am not sure if that was a take down, or if they were never put up, I know V1 of Destiny Lovers is not there, but V2 is.
It's a combination of both. For instance, all of To Love Ru as well as everything that had been released for To Love Ru Darkness and Yokai Girls used to be up on Kobo, but many of the volumes were pulled by Kobo earlier this year when some number of Seven Seas' released titles got pulled down. Almost all of To Love Ru and Yokai Girls is now gone, though about half of To Love Ru Darkness remains. In the case of Yokai Girls, volume 10 was released after volumes 1 - 8 were taken down, but volumes 11 and 12 aren't up for pre-order yet, and no newer volumes of To Love Darkness have gone up. I don't know if Seven Seas has been trying with all of them and been getting rejected, or if they've just given up in some cases. I also don't know the full list of their series which have had titles pulled or been unable to have new volumes put on Kobo.
Regardless, the result is that for some of their Ghost Ship series, at least some of the volumes are missing, and you can't rely on them showing up there in the future (which is all the more annoying given that Nook seems to have lower resolution images than Kobo for those series, and Google Play seems to have pdfs). So, there are clearly some issues with Kobo deciding to reject stuff for not meeting their content guidelines, but at present, it's nowhere near as bad as what's been happening with Amazon. And the only case of any light novels being pulled from Kobo that I'm aware of is the problem with How Not to Summon a Demon Lord, which was reported here.
Usually, when I can't find a manga series on Kobo, it's because it's just not available digitally, and I'm not sure that I've ever seen a light novel series not be available there until the recent problem with How Not to Summon a Demon Lord (I rarely look at what they have for JNC titles though, since I buy them here). So, the situation is by no means ideal, but from what I've seen, only a few series have been impacted, unlike with Amazon.
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@Kalessin Magika Swordsman and Summoner, World's end Harem/Fantasia and Parallel Paradise (damn and I like Lynn Okamotos' works even thought nothing beats Elfen Lied till now) had also their Manga removed. Just to add to your list.
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Volumes 3, 8, and 10 of Demon Load are back up on Amazon kindle, this time with color illustrations at the back. All the old reviews, however, are permanently gone.
It's good to see all of it back on Kobo, too.
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@saskir Volumes 1 - 11 of Magika Swordsman and Summoner are all there. It's just newer volumes that are missing. I'm not caught up on reading it, so I'd assumed that 11 was probably the end given how long it had been since it had been since it had been released. It's good to know though that 12 is out, and 13 and 14 are coming. I guess that I'll have to get them from Nook though. sigh
If nothing else, sadly, this highlights the importance of checking publishers' sites for how many volumes of a series have been released. If you just check the store, then you may miss a release. :(
I wonder if it would do any good to contact Kobo and complain about how they've been treating Seven Seas titles.
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@LegitPancake Nice to finally see some good news, hopefully the rest are back up soon.
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Volume 7 of How not to summon is also available again.
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Defiantly glad some of the light novels are making it back to Amazon, and wish they hadn't been removed in the first place. I did notice something a bit odd though with the updated listing however. I purchased volumes 1 through 10 of how not to summon a demon lord before the removal, and now the updated versions of the light novels seem to be treated as a separate book with Amazon asking if I want to purchase rather than telling me I already have the item in my library. Is this something that might be fixed at some point or just a glaw due to Amazon performing the removal?
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@Darkflame This is because Amazon banned the listing, so we had to reupload as a "new" book. You can continue to download the old version since you have already purchased it, though.
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@myskaros
In cases like those what happens if you update the book for some corrections? Will people who bought the old also have the updated version? -
@BartzBB We can't update the book anymore, the listing was banned.
Whoever said nothing's impossible never tried slamming a revolving door.
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@myskaros
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@myskaros Just curious, but is there anything to prevent the same thing happening to the new listing (seeing as how no information is being provided about why specifically they were banned in the first place)? Like does a new listing submission have to pass a content guideline review before it goes up, or is it more like a checkbox in the process somewhere that's like "I agree that this ebook meets the amazon kindle guidelines" and no one actually takes a look at the product unless someone reports it for whatever reason?
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@jpwong It's implied by virtue of having a KDP account. Just like you aren't checking a box whenever you download a song from iTunes that says "I agree not to rip this song and share it across the Internet," you just agreed to the terms of service in advance.
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@jpwong Re-uploading the same version as before doesn't work, as can be seen with Summon a Demon Lord volumes being banned even after being re-uploaded a month or so ago. This time, J-Novel uploaded the volumes with the "problematic" color illustrations (really just all of them) to the backs of the books, so they don't show up in the previews. We'll have to wait and see how Amazon responds to them. It could be they have a problem with the covers themselves (especially 3, 6, and 10), but without amazon specifying what's wrong it's just a trial-and-error game right now.
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@LegitPancake I was just thinking that amazon might have some sort of elevated review process for accounts where they've just had multiple products removed for what they essentially see as violations of their terms of service, but it sounds like that's not the case.
Like if a retailer was getting garbage from one of their vendors they'd normally either cut them off entirely or say hold on, we need to review what you're sending us here because the products you're trying to have us sell here aren't meeting our quality requirements. -
Amazon needs to knock this crap off. I own a fair number of these books, and most of them don't really have content that would be deemed 'objectionable'. Lazy Dungeon Master volumes 2 & 8 don't have much in the way of ecchi content to them (and while Keima's foot fetish is played up for laughs, that's basically as far as it goes). Mixed Bathing 3, 5, and 6 (just like the rest of the series) basically just has innocent nudity because Touya's party use the Unlimited Bath together. I Shall Survive Using Potions has nothing objectionable at all (literally just one scene in vol 4 where Kaoru and her people go visit a hot spring and deal with peeping toms, a super common anime and manga trope). The only one that kind of makes sense is How NOT to Summon a Demon Lord, since it goes hard on the ecchi and contains a couple lolis, but Amazon still has my ire because they waited to ban the series until after volume 12 came out.
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@Project_Demise said in Books/Preorders missing from Amazon:
Amazon needs to knock this crap off. I own a fair number of these books, and most of them don't really have content that would be deemed 'objectionable'. Lazy Dungeon Master volumes 2 & 8 don't have much in the way of ecchi content to them (and while Keima's foot fetish is played up for laughs, that's basically as far as it goes). Mixed Bathing 3, 5, and 6 (just like the rest of the series) basically just has innocent nudity because Touya's party use the Unlimited Bath together. I Shall Survive Using Potions has nothing objectionable at all (literally just one scene in vol 4 where Kaoru and her people go visit a hot spring and deal with peeping toms, a super common anime and manga trope). The only one that kind of makes sense is How NOT to Summon a Demon Lord, since it goes hard on the ecchi and contains a couple lolis, but Amazon still has my ire because they waited to ban the series until after volume 12 came out.
yea, but your reasoning assumes that those that objected actually read the books. The thing that all of the "banned" books had in common were illustrations, available in previews, that had nudity or implied nudity (steam or something providing the minimum of covering to the 'naughty' bits). I doubt that anyone read for context before complaining.
as notes somewhere upthread, it looks like JNC has "fixed" the problem - by moving the illustrations to the end of the file (vs the front) so they won't show up in previews, and reposting the books. (which resets comments etc.)
just one more reason to buy direct form JNC, have a premium membership, etc.
