Books/Preorders missing from Amazon
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@myskaros
No offense to JNC but this feels like Amazon came out on top regarding this issue.I'm not complaining or anything but just sharing what is my reaction to the solution to the current problem.
It feels just like Amazon just created the new standard for an LN E-Book where the color illustrations are now at the back.- For new series that haven't had volume 1 release yet and all future new series, color images will now be in the back instead.
From my understanding with this statement, this means that all future LN E-Books will now have the color illustration at the back in all platforms and only the series that had already published volume 1 would have an Amazon Version exclusive to Amazon and the other platforms would still use the Original Version.
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@BartzBB said in Books/Preorders missing from Amazon:
No offense to JNC but this feels like Amazon came out on top regarding this issue.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. We are a business, and Amazon provides a very significant chunk of revenue. We can't afford to fight Amazon and risk being kicked off altogether, all we can do is skirt the issue and try not to keep getting our books removed. If moving images to the back accomplishes that, it's a small price to pay compared to going out of business.
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@myskaros
That's not what I meant.
I was just saying that since the only way for Amazon to accept the volumes again was for the illustration to be placed at the back, now it looks like this new format that Amazon accepts would be the norm for all future e-books, which in my opinion sucks because the original Japanese e-books still has the illustrations at the front in Amazon JP.PS: This whole issue doesn't really affect me personally since I buy the Premiums and I always reformat the e-books that I buy to my desired format. For those who are curious I read all my LNs via images. This is so I could use the same reader that I use in my PC when reading manga. Although this means that the font style and size can't be changed it's still okay since I set them to my preference before turning them into images.
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@BartzBB said in Books/Preorders missing from Amazon:
I was just saying that since the only way for Amazon to accept the volumes again was for the illustration to be placed at the back, now it looks like this new format that Amazon accepts would be the norm for all future e-books, which in my opinion sucks because the original Japanese e-books still has the illustrations at the front in Amazon JP.
You're jumping ahead a bit too much. This is a conclusion JNC reached based on internal discussion, for the reasons stated in my previous post; Amazon did not make any demands regarding what they will/will not accept.
Whoever said nothing's impossible never tried slamming a revolving door.
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@myskaros said in Books/Preorders missing from Amazon:
Amazon did not make any demands regarding what they will/will not accept.
How annoying
In my opinion, considering Amazon is taking 30% commission they should at least share the 'ticket' that lead to the take downs. (even if they feel they need to scrub the tickets to remove identities of who filed the complaints, there should be an indication of what policy/category/error whatever caused the 'infraction')Amazon created a marketplace, they take a commission and regulate their marketplace. And those being penalized deserve to at least to know why
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@Jon-Mitchell said in Books/Preorders missing from Amazon:
Amazon created a marketplace, they take a commission and regulate their marketplace. And those being penalized deserve to at least to know why
This is why monopolies are bad, mmk.
Whoever said nothing's impossible never tried slamming a revolving door.
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@myskaros
It's true that Amazon didn't demand anything.
It's also true that they accepted the new format.And because of that it's understandable why JNC decided to just place all future color illustration at the back just to ensure this issue never happens again. I also understand that it would be troublesome to make a separate Amazon only version with the illustration at the back.
I just feel unsatisfied that the format would differ to what is on Amazon JP, which is considered to be the norm for all LNs. And also the fact that the norm will be changed to suit Amazon's standards. In short I just hate this double standards that what's okay in Amazon JP is not okay in Amazon, even though all of them are suppose to follow the same standards.
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@BartzBB Different countries have different laws. See what's happening in Australia, for example.
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@myskaros
It's just hard for me to accept.Probably because I've never been outside my own country that my expectations on the rules and standards of an international company should be the same wherever that company is. It's like how clothing brands would have the same quality product no matter where in the world they are being sold and expecting that only the price would differ due to tax.
So my naive expectations are that if Amazon ever change their standards because of the law or culture of a certain country they would apply it to all their branches around the world just to be consistent so that no feelings of dissatisfaction or unfairness would arise.
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@BartzBB It is essentially impossible to have both a wide variety of available products and NOT run afoul of SOME country's laws, so trying to be uniform across the world isn't viable. You can't sell non-OEM car parts in some countries, for example.
Many would view it as "CountryX is forcing their laws/morals down our throats, as if they own the whole world!"
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@myskaros said in Books/Preorders missing from Amazon:
- For new series that haven't had volume 1 release yet and all future new series, color images will now be in the back instead.
Just to clarify, since this point didn’t mention a “separate Amazon version,” volumes under this category will have color images in the back on all platforms? Does that include JNC’s premium epubs, or are those unaffected?
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there's a whole other thread on the speculations of "why"
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we don't know if this is a regulatory/legal/moral issue, or a customer complaint issue, or something else
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we don't know if the same issue/problem (whatever it is) applies to all of the titles taken down
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we don't know if moving the illustrations to the back is a fix or not
at this point, my fingers are crossed. I don't use the Kindle platform extensively, so it isn't for my convenience that I want this resolved, I want JNC to be successful (so that more of the stuff I like to read gets published)
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@myskaros said in Books/Preorders missing from Amazon:
For new series that haven't had volume 1 release yet and all future new series, color images will now be in the back instead.
Meaning, if I want the images in front, I'll have to edit the premium epubs myself... grreeeaaaattttt...
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@MasterLillyclaw said in Books/Preorders missing from Amazon:
Just to clarify, since this point didn’t mention a “separate Amazon version,” volumes under this category will have color images in the back on all platforms? Does that include JNC’s premium epubs, or are those unaffected?
@DoubleMangekyo said in Books/Preorders missing from Amazon:
Meaning, if I want the images in front, I'll have to edit the premium epubs myself... grreeeaaaattttt...
I honestly hate Amazon right now.Yes, this includes JNC premiums. I should mention that we've actually received feedback from customers requesting this change anyway, since you can't really flip past digital pages the way you can with physical books and the color images frequently spoil events in the book.
Whoever said nothing's impossible never tried slamming a revolving door.
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Since it has been brought up I would like to remind everyone that there is a topic open for speculation on why users believe amazon is removing content. So if you would like to contribute to that topic please post accordingly.
Thank you.
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Eh, at least the color illustrations are still there. I can live with tapping a few hyperlinks if I want to see them before reading the book.
Question: will this affect physical books, too?
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@myskaros True I've seen this as well, but I think its by a vocal minority.
Either way the particular change doesn't bother me, either will use chapter nav or move them myself.
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Just a note that you can just use Sigil and move the color images back to the front of the volume.
Takes a few seconds I think since the color images are in their own individual pages.
edit: Ya, I just tested this. Works fine. Whole process takes less than 30 seconds. Literally drag and drop.
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I am glad JNC was able to work around the issue and get their books back on Amazon. I hope that the books stay listed. I found out about JNC by stumbling onto their books on Amazon and got hooked. While I get my JNC books directly now, I can imagine that Amazon is valuable for the discoverability and obviously all of the sales. However, I will be getting my non-JNC e-books from another store from now on.
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@myskaros said in Books/Preorders missing from Amazon:
@Jon-Mitchell said in Books/Preorders missing from Amazon:
Amazon created a marketplace, they take a commission and regulate their marketplace. And those being penalized deserve to at least to know why
This is why monopolies are bad, mmk.
To be pedantic: monopsony, not monopoly.
Monopoly is where one company dominates where you can buy things; this lets them do things like jack up prices, because there’s no other place for consumers to buy things.
Monopsony is the inverse; one company dominates where you can sell things. So where monopoly is focused on consumers, monopsony is focused on producers. For example, in comics, there’s not really a monopoly, because there’s lots of comic shops. But there was a monopsony, because Diamond Comics controlled the majority of distribution for the big comic book publishers. https://www.ign.com/articles/dc-diamond-comics-distributor-wars-monopoly-marvel Where monopolies jack customers around, monopsonies screw producers; as the only place to sell something, they can dictate terms to producers.
Amazon is both. They’re a monopoly, as they dominate the ebook selling market. And they’re a monopsony, as publishers like J-Novel have to work with them or lose a huge amount of their market.
