Shakugan no Shana
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Pls rescue this series.. it's one of my favourite anime series & really want to read light novel....
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I recently just start collecting manga about 4 years ago and I was so sad when I couldn't buy this manga please license Shana
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I too would love to see the rest translated. The existential dread Yuji feels and how he grows out of it along with the rest of the cast was great to see in the anime.
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While the series have some volumes licensed by Viz for release and translation, according to my understanding on light novel translation industry in other countries, such right shouldn't be unlimited in term of number of volumes, and there should also be other conditions in the contract that allow actions to be taken whenever necessary. With the length of time passed and with JNC's current relationship with Kadokawa group in mind, there should be something JNC could do to help?
Unlicensed series of interest: ใฌใซใใณ ๆฆ่ป้ใฎใใใฟใก//โๅ่ ใงใใ//โ่ฆใใ้ถด็ฟผ//โ่ฆใใ้ฝ็//โโTS่ปข็ๆชๅฝนไปคๅฌขใฏใ่ชๅใ่ปข็ใใไฝๅใๅ้ใใใ//โ็กๆฌฒใฎ่ๅฅณใฏ้ใซใจใใใ//ใกใคใณใใญใคใณ้ขใใ่ฌใฎ็พๅฐๅฅณใใฃใใใใใ//็ผ็ผใฎใทใฃใ//ใกใซใใณใกใใใณโโ//ใฏใญในใปใณใใฏใ//้่ฒใตใใ//ๆใฎๅค//โ๋์ ํธ๋์ด๋//โ้้่ฑ้
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@c933103 At 26 volumes and a really old anime, not to mention rescue, this series would unfortunately be very uneconomical to license in the English industry at this moment. There is virtually no guarantee that there are 2000 people willing to buy the ebook of every volume, plus the fact that it holds up a translation team for 6+ years, when they could translate dozens of shorter more popular series in that time.
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Even if It's been a while since I watched Shakugan no Shana but a proper licensed version would make me purchase it and complete it.
The story and story/character development is really good on it.
(Plus I miss Shana's "Urusai/Shut up" )
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@legitpancake Is 2000 people buying required for JNC to make a profit from translation? As, in other non-English markets, I have saw lower figures being quoted at breakeven points.
Maybe JNC being based in Western countries have higher running cost and labor cost, but in some other markets I have saw figures down to some hundred copies being cited as breakeven point, and I am talking about physical copies
And I think, Shana, while being a old series, is still very popular, and most people who watch anime nowadays should at least have heard about its name and familiar with its character image, and would probably gave the anime a watch already as well
Not really a good comparison but you can see series like Spice and Wolf or Haruhi from the era with similar popularity are still lingering, with English localization of their novels still continues, which indicates they're profitable
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Maybe it is time to revisit this now, now that quite a number of titles have been rescued and relicensed due to collapse of some other publishers.
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M myskaros referenced this topic on
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A curse of Tokyopop, another dream
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While it has been storming here, I see neither cats nor dogs coming down from the heavens ๐
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I realize there's less urban fantasy these days like this one or Index or i just dont know anything. If you check MAL stat for the "plan to read" its about 3k account. As someone who got interested to this series decades ago, I'm still hoping this one will given a chance. Older fans still rooting for older series to get in English. Man, i don't even know if we're living in the 21st century. One up for this one.
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@roughroadface51 said in Shakugan no Shana:
Older fans still rooting for older series to get in English.
The issue is that fans like to say this, but they don't actually buy these series when it does get licensed and translated. JNC and other publishers have licensed various older series with older, seemingly popular anime, and they rarely perform up to expectations.
Whoever said nothing's impossible never tried slamming a revolving door.
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Would be interested in seeing this translated loved the anime
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@myskaros I think more recent ones like in 2000s-early 2010s might perform better than older series, because both the audience are still relatively similar in term of their age, and also because the continued growth of anime-related market in English world mean shows that are closer to now would have more people watched it than series that are more classic but older.
Unlicensed series of interest: ใฌใซใใณ ๆฆ่ป้ใฎใใใฟใก//โๅ่ ใงใใ//โ่ฆใใ้ถด็ฟผ//โ่ฆใใ้ฝ็//โโTS่ปข็ๆชๅฝนไปคๅฌขใฏใ่ชๅใ่ปข็ใใไฝๅใๅ้ใใใ//โ็กๆฌฒใฎ่ๅฅณใฏ้ใซใจใใใ//ใกใคใณใใญใคใณ้ขใใ่ฌใฎ็พๅฐๅฅณใใฃใใใใใ//็ผ็ผใฎใทใฃใ//ใกใซใใณใกใใใณโโ//ใฏใญในใปใณใใฏใ//้่ฒใตใใ//ๆใฎๅค//โ๋์ ํธ๋์ด๋//โ้้่ฑ้
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@c933103 said in Shakugan no Shana:
I think more recent ones like in 2000s-early 2010s might perform better
growth of anime-related market in English world mean shows that are closer to now would have more people watched it than series that are more classic but older.
Sorry to break it to you, but even 5 years ago is too old for many buyers.
Here's a bunch of JNC series from your timeframe that are not profitable:
Demon King Daimaou (anime 2010)
Infinite Stratos (anime 2011)
Kokoro Connect (anime 2012)
Outbreak Company (anime 2013)
Invaders of the Rokujouma!? (anime 2014)
Amagi Brilliant Park (anime 2014)
When Supernatural Battles Became Commonplace (anime 2014)
Wild Times With a Fake Fake Princess (no anime)Full Metal Panic! only sells enough because of the hardcovers.
Another example of poor sales would be A Certain Magical Index (Yen Press). I get the feeling Yen might be the ones to eventually license Shana because they're doing other long Kadokawa series from the 2000s (DxD, DAL, Baccano, DRRR, S&W). I don't see any other publisher getting it tbh.
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@DoubleMangekyo
Eh first 2010-2014 is about 9-13 years ago alreadyAnd as an anime isn't Infinite Stratos the only one in the list that maintain popularity beyond the season they air? Rokujouma maybe? And IS suffered from author relationship with publisher and illustrator.
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@c933103 said in Shakugan no Shana:
Eh first 2010-2014 is about 9-13 years ago already
They are now, but most of them were much closer to 5 years ago when the series were first licensed by JNC.
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@DoubleMangekyo Hmm... Do you have any data to back up the assertion that those specific titles have lost them money? Some of them make sense, but others maybe less so.
Though unfortunately, as much as I'd love for older series like SnS to get licensed, I do agree that the odds are much worse for them to be profitable. Not just because they may be less familiar to would-be readers but also because the style tends to feel very different than what modern readers might be use to. Slayers is a great example... reading it, there is a style to it that doesn't feel anything like anything more modern.
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@xdrfiredogx said in Shakugan no Shana:
Hmm... Do you have any data to back up the assertion that those specific titles have lost them money? Some of them make sense, but others maybe less so.
Minor note: poor sales, not losses. Some of them may have broke even, or been minorly positive, but not been the sales boom that people were saying they should be given the popularity of the anime or how well it sells in Japan etc. Most of those titles I've seen mentioned by staff as poor sellers in various places.
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@xdrfiredogx said in Shakugan no Shana:
Do you have any data to back up the assertion that those specific titles have lost them money? Some of them make sense, but others maybe less so.
My data is whatever Sam and other JNC staff have said on the discord server over the years. The consensus is that series with old anime (read: more than 5 years ago) don't sell.
Here's Sam saying Orphen, Outbreak and Daimaou are losing money. I'd like to show you more, but that's the only one I've got saved. You could join the discord and search through it if you want, since I can't be bothered.
Though unfortunately, as much as I'd love for older series like SnS to get licensed, I do agree that the odds are much worse for them to be profitable. Not just because they may be less familiar to would-be readers but also because the style tends to feel very different than what modern readers might be use to.
Yeah, the current fad is isekai. Anything that's not that will face an uphill battle.
From what I've gathered, late 90s->late 00s were defined by urban fantasy series (Boogiepop, Shana, Index, Haruhi, etc.); the late 00s->early 10s were magic battle high school (Daimaou, IS, etc.); trapped in a game world stories (SAO, Log Horizon) had a brief stint before isekai fully took over in 2014. Some people say the next big thing will be rom-coms, but I'll believe that when I see it.
Slayers is a great example... reading it, there is a style to it that doesn't feel anything like anything more modern.
Slayers at least seems to have enough name recognition for the hardcovers to do well. (I'm assuming, since JNC is even giving it the audio book treatment now)
