@crowdcontrol said in Ascendance of a Bookworm Vol. 7 (Manga) Discussion:

@crowdcontrol I like this manga artists and all myne's facial expression. I plan on buying all the physical english manga from j-novel. I don't think I would be buying the manga of the other artist though that is doing the other part, even if it ended up english translated. That art is just not the same. Its inconsistent quality. Some part it looks good, but most times it looks horrible

I like the artist for part 3, it’s the one doing part 4 I dislike. I hope they let the person doing part 1 & 2 do part 5 though.

@frostfall

Thank you all for replying. (By the way, I read all 151 pages because I didn’t want to ask something that had already been covered.)

Your answers have giving me some insight as I had been going in a different direction, which is he had been holding out for something. Instead, while he wanted all of the thing she offered, he didn’t want to do something new...

Which makes sense as he only engages in battles he knows he can win. Of course, this all just sparked new discussions in my household so that’s good.

Again, thank you for your thoughts.

From what I have heard the 3rd season will show up Winter 2022 or Spring 2022, we might get lucky with Fall 2021. I expect the season to finish up Part 2. But wonder what other people think?

@quof said in Reinterpretation of Bookworm Beginning (Myne/Urano):

At the end of P1V3 Gunther mentions to Otto that he thinks she was blessed by the gods with knowledge (which thereby changed her).

"The gods must have taught her. Myne's a girl loved by the gods."

How could I not have remembered such a direct statement of the author's intent? 8-) I believe I shall take this literally. 8-)

@paul-nebeling said in IRL Teas inspired by Ascendance of a Bookworm:

@kingcaesarrex Doing a spit take over that price.

Yeah...no.

But I did order some tea samples.

@c-ray it’s too late to call for consistency when you yourself point out that there’s any number of inconsistencies already. I mean, I’m pretty sure the Germanic spelling of Rozemyne herself would actually be Rosemein (but eh, I flunked my German GCSE decades ago and always have to picture “spiegelei” to remember which way around the ‘i’ and the ‘e’ go).

@shiroi-hane that's the viewty of Bewkworm

@thegrimlich said in Fancrack: FGO/Bookworm crossover:

@alfonso_rd_36 said in Fancrack: FGO/Bookworm crossover:

Wait... Did DKF knew about Mercy?

Only if he's played Overwatch before </sarcasm>

Ok, I drove a pandabus to that one

I think the conclusion I have come to is that, as a newly constructed name, it's pronounced however you want it to be pronounced. You could say I'm responsible for the name's creation, being the one to put the letters together in English for the first time, but it wouldn't be very meaningful for me to try to be like "It's objectively pronounced Ro↑ze ↓myne↑ and anyone who pronounces it otherwise is wrong." Likewise, it's not very meaningful to look to the Japanese, because Japanese names are almost universally pronounced differently from English names, and, for example, you wouldn't really learn much about how to pronounce Lutz or Gunther by looking at Ruttsu or Gyunta. Rozemyne is no different. The anime dub for Season 3 will no doubt have to dub Rozemyne (though of course they will have it written as Rosemain, or Rozemain at best). However, in that case it will be the dub director arbitrarily making a decision. There's no transcendental correctness or truth to the pronunciation that will be given by that - he is, just like me, just another dude.

In which case, I think only one conclusion can be made: There is no pronunciation for Rozemyne beyond what you think it is. It's a made-up name and English has inconsistent pronunciation rules for letters. The author can't give this psuedo-English name an objectively correct pronunciation, I can't give it an objectively correct pronunciation, and the dub director can't give it an objectively correct pronunciation.

A conclusion for Rozemyne's pronunciation can only possibly form through time and trends - through decades of people reading Rozemyne, pronouncing Rozemyne, and so on. I imagine that, much like names IRL, there will be different regions where some people pronounce it one way and other regions where some people pronounce it another way (much like the infamous "New York Mario"), but that's just how it goes. This will be a conclusion founded in oral history, rather than me arbitrarily deciding it must be pronounced one way, or anything arbitrary like that. Of course, I imagine the dub director's decision will have HUGE influence, as people mimic what they hear, but it only become meaningful through the following decades of use, rather than the decision itself.

tl;dr Ask me again in 30 years

@quof Two things, since I seem to be the cause of this kerfuffle.

If Gustav's position as merchant guild guildmaster was supposed to formally place him in an officially superior position to the other guild heads, I don't think that's ever been explicitly conveyed. While there were hints that he might hold de facto power over them due to the merchant guild's control of issuing the guild cards, I've never seen any indication that he's capable of issuing outright orders or the like to them. After all, both the parchment and the ink guilds have shown they can circumvent him in various ways if need be.

In the exchange where I got confused, I'm of the position that that's a consequence of how the Japanese tends to use a person's title in place of their names, wherein in a narrative originally written in English, we would have just used their name. While it's fine for Myne to have literally not known Ferdinand's name for however long that was and kept calling him as High Priest both internally and externally, or for her to in general refer to people by title instead of name, Myne's quite clearly carrying on with the conventions Urano was more comfortable with, it feels substantially more awkward for the people native to the Bookverse to do likewise, as well for the third person narrative that is not from Myne's perspective to similarly be constrained. Surely we're not being led to believe that Ingo, a working adult, has no idea what the name of the merchant guild guildmaster is? And in the case of people whose names we already do know, usage of that name in place of the title would if nothing else allow for a bit greater variety in prose, instead of seeing "guildmaster" or etc repeated constantly.

@quof That's interesting, definitely for the reason @zwabbit mentions which is so on-point it hurts.

But for me it's also because this means I badly interpreted the 4th-wall breaking as far more reserved (not quite so blatant and common) than what you're describing. I'm going to have to step back and reassess this, because I realized that I really wasn't noticing it as much** -- and the only conclusion I can come up with currently is that I guess that the disappointment over this particular plot point caused me to internalize the end-of-chapter author comments in a different way than normal; which is to say, I noticed them at all, when I generally just skip them entirely.

** (I just checked several series that I've followed in WN form, and sure enough it was far more common than I had recognized it to be, meaning that I really was just glossing over it.)

@Pinkrose064 - I don't have the JP LN for this volume, but in the WN, it's just 「……まずい」 ("This is awful!" / "Oh no!") which has similar meaning.

"To think they would use that of all things," seems to me that it adds the implication that Ferdinand knows exactly what poison they used, and also that the specific poison they used was somehow more unsavory than other poisons, rather than just being bad that she was poisoned at all.

The first of those implications is definitely a true statement - Ferdinand does know what poison was used and how to treat it, given that he supplies an antidote shortly afterward. The second implication might be unintentional, as I know a bunch of people in the discussion thread were speculating about what the poison was and why it was so bad, which might lead to misplaced expectations if there isn't a reveal coming that will explain what the poison is.

Q&A released today in today's Fanbook 1 Part 1 contains some questions and answers regarding this subject.

@GeorgeMTO said in Telling Time in Ehrenfest:

the map in the books (also linked in the above linked primer) has Ehrenfest duchy adjacent to the Country Border Gate. While the other side of it isn't labelled, if it's not a country it's at least "foreign territory". I guess the fact that mana is necessary for farmland to continue, does mean it could simply be empty territory though.

It could be a floating country and beyond the gate is sky. It could be a dimension of it's own and the gates are like the teleportation circles. With the indications the country as a whole appears to be perfect circle it probably isn't a normal country with typical borders.

@Gamen said in Ascendance of a Bookworm Pt 2 Vol 1 (Manga) Discussion:

And Ferdinand's other attendants with sweat drops, presumably knowing the quarter's reputation.

I couldn't decide on that one myself... it's hard to tell if they are put off because they do actually know or if it's simply the idea of giving a commoner girl the quarters in the first place. I got the impression that the former director's proclivities weren't widely known - largely because someone that values intel the way Ferd does didn't seem to know - but you could very well be right.

In fact, as I'm thinking about it... if I didn't know what the real reason behind what he's doing was, then assuming they are just reacting to a commoner being rewarded in some way would be perfectly natural. It's great camouflage.

Either way, pulling in very subtle bits that we won't know about (if we haven't read the novels) for quite awhile into the scene in a way that pops out to anyone that does know already... just goes to show how well planned the manga is, to say nothing of the actual artwork itself.

@Lightning750 said in Bookworm Part 2 Vol. 2 Discussion!:

我が望むところまで　御身が貴色で満たし給え」

This original text corresponding to that part says "Up to where I desire, please fill with your royal color". And it is omitted so that the "object" of the sentence, who/what does the praying person wants to be filled is not stated. Quof interpreted as "I, the prayer", but given that this is during the land recovery after the trombe extermination, it makes more sense to interpret it as "the land".

@Revenent Okay yea that was fixed in the physical book.

@Tube Depending on the series, the catchup versions may or may not be fixed after they go up.